What truth do you want exactly? We already know that 9/11 was blowback, Bush had dealings with the bin Laden family, the feds were already surveilling the terrorists, and multiple intelligence agencies including the Taliban warned the US of a major attack. Most other things don’t matter at all. Hell none of these truths even matter because the country is brain dead and no one gives a shit.

What difference does it make if it was revealed that the Air Force shot down a plane and lied about the circumstances to make the victims heroes? We move on. We consume product. Then they argue about who becomes president and close down Guantanamo. Then we don’t do it. Feel free to prove me wrong. My proof is look around you. What happened after Snowden? What happened after Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib? What happened after MKULTRA? Kent State? All the mass shootings? FBI grooming mentally ill Muslims?

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 7 points 6 months ago

Right? I am so tired of this. there's no exciting grand conspiracy, it's just the normal bs the US does every day. It's not a conspiracy because it's all legal and they admitted to it. What "truth" to people expect to find? The US does a bunch of evil intelligence bullshit? That the US alphabet soup is a bizarre combination of frightening cold blooded competence and laughable keystone kops?

Like even putting aside that kinds of random shit survives fires, floods, plane crashes, nuclear bombings, what are we even talking about? How did they recover the passports? They picked them off the ground, just like they did huge amounts of other debris. This isn't even a debunking, there's nothing to debunk, stuff survives airline crashes and building collapses and every other kind of disaster. It's completely banal, a leading question that leads nowhere.

Like, every event in the US is full of this. People are talking about the true-anon series about 9/11, and yeah, it's full of weird shit because it's America and we're up to our eyeballs in spies, cops, foreign influence operations, terrorists, gusanos, Banderites, the scum of every coup and color revolution. This is a nation of assassins, thieves, spies, crooks, and criminals. You can find evidence of conspiracies everywhere because there are conspiracies everywhere. except, most of the time, it's not a conspiracy because it's legal and they admit to it. But it's just boring shit; killing protest leaders, cops framing political enemies, insider trading, regulatory capture, intelligence failures, FBI entrapment bs. None of this is obscure or hidden or suppressed, it's been front page news for decades. PREDATOR and ECHELON were conspiracy theories right up until Snowden spilled the tea, but after that the NSA wiretap scheme was blown wide open, all over the news. That UN investigator who locked himself inside a bag from inside the bag in the woods then died was screaming that Iraq had no WMDs, and people knew it at the time or shortly after. They didn't care, they wanted blood and didn't care whose blood it was, but it was in the news. Is it a conspiracy that he was killed for trying to fuck up the grift? Dude was found locked inside a duffle bag and they called it a suicide. That's not a conspiracy, that's a government that knows it's untouchable and doesn't care enough to cover its tracks. When the regime didn't find WMDs they just moved the goal posts, right out in the open, where everyone could see it, and they got away with it. The Iraq war protest movement was one of the largest in history up to that time. Why doesn't anyone remember it? It's not a conspiracy, the US Media just deliberately didn't cover it. No coverage, no impact on public awareness. Its' not a conspiracy because it was legal and they did it in full view of the public.