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Also Democrats: Ve shall round up und eradicate ze undesirables from society!!! Ve shall put zem into ze camps and ve shall enslave them to benefit ze superior class!!!
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~~I'm going to phrase this as politely as I can to you, with respect to knowing you and your history on this site:~~ Fuck that, you don't deserve my respect: if all you've got is paternalistic optics games and tone policing, then please shut the fuck up. I do not play optics games. I do not respect tone police. Optics games will not save anybody, will not push policy, will not do ANYTHING MORE than legitimize the propriety-poisoned society we're forced to toil under.
The FACT OF THE MATTER IS every body, Black, brown, or otherwise, that gets funneled through the Department of Corrections pipeline is turned into a slave. By Amerikans. The FACT OF THE MATTER IS that every Amerikan that fails to fight this, that plays these cute little semantics games to make the crackers feel like they're not complicit, that bears plantation water, is JUST AS COMPLICIT in the slavery that never ended in this country.
As far as I'm concerned, this is a davel-tier comment.
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I find myself saying "I had so much higher hopes for them" irritatingly frequently lately.
I gotta say I am sorry bout that dipshit and they got banned before I got back home, but your replies had me fucking dying while I was on my breaks reading the thread.
You pander to liberal ignorance in ways that will never lead them to the facts. "Letting them have their say" is actively enslaving and profiteering off of carceral chattel, you absolute fucking spin doctor. I feel like I've argued with you before on matters you had no fucking room to opine on, while book-worshipping the whole way-- which my undying and perennial response to is that if you apply rote book knowledge from one specific set of material conditions to another situation whose material conditions do not 1:1 match, you are committing book worship. THIS IS A FORM OF LIBERALISM.
EDIT: Oh my god, I have had this go-round with you before. Don't bother responding further; you're still the same old cracker with shit takes on the colonized and enslaved. I'm not doin this with you. Why they even let you still breathe here is beyond me; but they also allowed TheAnonymouseJoker and davel for good long runs, so maybe they just lenient.
The more I keep thinking about this, the funnier it gets, y'know-- it amazes me how any other time your shit takes on the colonized get addressed, you never have the time for it; but oooooh let someone talk mess about crackers, liberals, or the intersection of liberal crackers. Then you got all the time in the world to come play paternal.
Book worship regarding text that doesn't apply 1:1 to the Amerikan condition. You still don't listen. Fuck all the way off with this paternalist nonsense, peckerwood. This country's crimes will never be scrubbed away but with the blood of colonizers.
You still don't listen. This is not a debate. I told you to shut the fuck up posts ago, and you still ain't listening to me. I fundamentally do not, and will not respect anything you have to say, regardless of who you quote to get your maladaptive, rankly-assimilationist point off-- because it's YOU, and YOU are known to optics politic, tone police, and carry water for settlers.
Fuck off, peckerwood.
Maybe I won't be so hostile when the first recourse for the settler-left stops being "accuse every Black nationalist of wrecking", but TODAY AIN'T THAT DAY, cracker. Talm bout 'wrecking' like this is actually an organization and not a fuckin niche shitposter's forum fuck outta here clot
You right and I've had issues with this person before. I'm on a break at work rn so I will look into this thread more when I get home.
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Self crit bud
If you have a specific criticism of me, I'm all ears. But I see nothing wrong with looking at what Mao of all people had to say about how leftists should talk to people. We are trying to get other people to become leftists, aren't we?
To meet a quotation from Mao with a bunch of insults and accusations of racism... I don't know what else to call that but wrecking.
Damn bro thought he could criticize John Brown and not get banned
We've done the polite explaining for decades and it's gotten us nowhere. What worked in China doesn't work in burgerland
Did not expect the wholesale rejection of Mao on Hexbear today.
It's worth noting that Mao's point (which is apparently tailism!) has been echoed all over the place (see
"we can never stop explaining"), and that nothing the U.S. left has tried worked either. I put more weight on things that have worked somewhere than on things that have worked nowhere.
Sure and I want to agree with you! As I've said in other comments last week, I believe our culture puts us in a position where it is much harder to get Americans to even listen vs. Places like China.
I believe Chinese culture is more geared toward community, helping your neighbors, looking out for each other, etc. Same for many places. Not in America. We are hyper-individualist to an absurd degree. Just drive down any stretch of highway to see how selfish the average driver is. See how many crashes we have because people have no respect for others on the road. Then walk down our streets and see all of the litter, all of the dog shit that isn't being picked up, etc. We want to be left alone and we don't care about others at all. We are greedy, resentful, selfish, etc.
You may say that is a product of Capitalism, but I believe there's more to it here. Even among other capitalist countries I don't see the amount of carelessness present in everyday life. Ex: In Japan there are norms around eating in public, taking your trash with you, giving space in public, and so on.
I agree that the U.S. is more selfish and individualistic than even other capitalist countries. I agree that fewer people in the U.S. will respond positively to discussion than they would in other countries.
But some people will respond to it, while no one -- especially not hyper-individualists! -- will respond to variations on "fuck off." I'd rather engage with some people than with no people, because while the former may be a long shot, the latter is a guaranteed loss.
I genuinely don't get how anyone thinks "agree with everything I say immediately or fuck off" is going to accomplish anything. That is exactly the shit we laugh at small weirdo ultra sects for doing.
So what are you suggesting we do differently? From where I stand I don't see current tactics are working.
DSA is shrinking & other left orgs have a few thousand members each on a good day. We're looking at maybe if you stretch 100k leftists that join an org? That's a Taylot Swift concert. Not nothing, but not enough for a revolution or to be taken seriously in most parts of the country.
I have some ideas in an effort post I made a while back. Who knows what will work? I just believe that the current tactics are being done out of inertia more than strategic thinking.
okay, so patiently explain to them how prison-slave labour and the 13th amendment work.
What's a that old saying "you can't a convince a man against something his salary depends on"? Or something.
Liberals believe what they do because they have to to maintain their positions. You'll never convince a homeowner that's interested in their property values that crimes against humanity are occurring to raise said value. Time and time again they've been patiently explained too and their views still allow for horror. Absent explication these laws have obvious conclusions of which even incurious people should easily be able to divine, the fact so many cannot or claim to not shouldn't be surprising to a materialist. The serene explanations can be set aside for something else.