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[-] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 34 points 3 months ago

There's actually a reason for that, the Israeli tanks can't have infantry support standing in the direction of expected fire, because their own Trophy APS (detect incoming explosives, fires what is basically explosive buckshot in the direction to trigger the explosive before it connects with the tank) will tear said infantry apart. If an RPG is fired at an Israeli tank, coming from the left side, the Trophy System will fire the explosives towards the projectile, explosion occurs, your infantry support on that side of the tank are most likely very dead. If not from catching strays from the trophy system then the prematurely detonated ordinance.

Infantry can only be stationed on sides that there cannot possibly be enemy fire. In a field, facing the enemy, you can have infantry on the sides. In an urban environment, you simply don't deploy infantry with your tanks.

Apparently the trophy system has a reload time of 1.5 seconds, and the faster the projectile the less likely it is able to detect it and fire.

[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 38 points 3 months ago

in all this time we have never seen a video where an RPG triggers the trophy system

I can't be alone in suspecting that it doesn't work very well

[-] Azarova@hexbear.net 22 points 3 months ago

its minimum activation range is something like 50 meters or so, and most of the footage ive seen so far has seemed inside that range

[-] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 15 points 3 months ago

The closer the the projectile the less effective the trophy system is. A Javelin fired from 500 meters is probably going to trigger it, an RPG from 25 meters is not.

The on board computer has to detect, analyse, predict then fire countermeasures, which it may not have time to do if you pop out and ๐Ÿ”ป๐Ÿ”ป๐Ÿ”ป the tank and duck back down.

[-] sexywheat@hexbear.net 28 points 3 months ago

Umm ... why would they design a tank which cannot have infantry support? Doesn't that make them basically useless?

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 30 points 3 months ago

Fascists love their Vundervvaffen. We're going to build a tank so high tech that it can't participate in basic tank doctrine or effectively engage in urban warfare!

[-] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 17 points 3 months ago

In an open desert with air support, it should be fine. In an urban environment against Guerilla fighters it's not.

But considering their main targets are ambulances and civilian cars, they'll still roll out the tanks anyway

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 15 points 3 months ago

NATOs absolute, unthinking, blind confidence in air power is going to be one of those things historians puzzle over once someone figures out how to 3d print an S600 or some shit.

[-] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 13 points 3 months ago

NATO's idea of a future conflict being just "WWII with better planes and gadgets like drones" probably stems from all the Axis officers in NATO during its inception. Air superiority didn't win Vietnam, nor Korea, not Afghanistan, nor is it currently helping off the coast of Yemen. But they can't change course now, capital has its grips on the industry and expensive planes that can't fly in the rain or VTOL aircraft like Ospreys falling out of the sky be damned.

What air superiority is good for are indiscriminate war crimes, though, so they'll continue to do that. From the jungles of Vietnam to the streets of Gaza.

[-] D61@hexbear.net 2 points 3 months ago

Guess it was too hard to put an "off" button on the things. joker-troll

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 16 points 3 months ago

Good post, I hadn't considered that. Lol being self-owned by your own point defenses.

[-] D61@hexbear.net 3 points 3 months ago

Thing is, infantry wouldn't be walking right next to the tank if you're expecting infantry with anti armor to be hiding in the rubble or buildings. They'd deploy first into areas with lots places that an ambush could be waiting with the tank hanging back.

If the infantry find something that needs the tank's main gun, its called up. If the infantry gets pinned down and the rest of the infantry platoon can't free up their pinned down squad the tank can be called forward to lay down suppressing fire if air support, artillery or mortars can't be used.

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