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Leftists who don’t like Biden don’t want to see him in office again, so they don’t want to vote for him, or they want to withhold their vote until he changes course. Seems simple enough.

But that’s not how politics works.

So announcing that you'll vote for him no matter what he does will make him change course? Is that how politics works?

Never, in the history of this country, has there been a president who hasn’t engaged in what the left would regard as unforgivable crimes. This is the nature of presidents, and politicians in general. If you, like me, are on the far left, you should never fully trust or have faith in any elected official.

But when I look at the Biden administration, I see a group of people who can be bullied in a leftist direction on some policy priorities.

lenin-laugh

Can anyone today truly argue that the world wasn’t drastically changed by Gore’s loss in 2000? Even if you don’t accept the argument that Nader’s candidacy is what lost Gore the election, how can you argue that the world wouldn’t have been at least a little better if all of those Nader votes had gone to Gore and put the Dems over the top?

Democrats have held the presidency 50% of the time since 2000.

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[–] Dimmer06@hexbear.net 55 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I love when these people bring up the Weimar Republic as a reason to vote for their guy. They always leave out that their guy is the stand in for Hindenburg.

[–] Ossay@hexbear.net 40 points 4 months ago (1 children)

classic example of people voting for the "lesser evil" and then the "lesser evil" invited the wolves into his government

maybe-later-kiddo "this is why you need to vote for the lesser evil"

[–] Wertheimer@hexbear.net 30 points 4 months ago

maybe-later-honey Don't blame me, I voted for Himmler

[–] EmoThugInMyPhase@hexbear.net 30 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

In any other country, Trump would’ve been thrown in prison and every person who stepped foot inside the capitol would’ve been hanged. In America, Trump gets to play golf for three years while being protected by security paid by taxpayers, and after being convicted he still gets to run as president and the opposition legitimizes his campaign by treating him as a genuine political opponent instead of the rogue fascist threat they claim he is

[–] emizeko@hexbear.net 22 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I dunno, a state using even the tiniest amount of power against the bourgeoisie sounds pretty aUtHoRiTaRiAn

[–] Chronicon@hexbear.net 20 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

straight up. Biden is Hindenburg, the verrrry left wing of the dems/squishy DSA types are at best kinda like the SPD, but they have no organization and little power. And Hindenburg was elected mostly by right wingers who hoped he would restore monarchy, plus the nazis themselves before they grew big enough to contend themselves. He presided over the rise of the nazis, repressed the KPD, got re-elected with the support of scared liberals, and then right at the end handed hitler the chancellorship, and within a month the KPD was outlawed and they were rounding up communists. More communists voting for Hindenburg doesn't solve this problem. And that's not addressing the earlier history of the SPD crushing left wing uprisings.

If you wanted to be really generous I guess you could claim Biden is Wilhelm Marx. A right wing establishment guy who's credited with Getting Things Done and holding the country together, but also gives the office of Chancellor executive emergency powers, setting precedent for Hitler to take even more. Maybe a splintered germany wouldn't have gone fascist. Maybe nationalism is fucking poison.

And in france, we will see how it goes, but that alliance is... an ALLIANCE, with concessions, not a capitulation.