"Lumpenproletariat" is exactly the kind of idea an educated German theorist would come up with in the wreckage of the industrial revolution and it's ridiculous to try to carry that notion forward to the age of cell phones and heavily armed maoist prostitutes and if anyone can't understand that you should throw grass at them until they stop being dorks because they're too far gone to touch it themselves.

Like ffs read even one anthro text about black market and grey market economies and stop treating The Man's legal system like anything but a criminal organization.

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[–] HelltakerHomosexual@hexbear.net 17 points 3 months ago (3 children)

hard agree, i've had people insist to me that criminalized peoples, who are usually minorities as any knowledgeable person knows (as capitalism uses bias in order to harm a group and allow for super exploitation), are lumpen and thus non-proles.

while we're on the topic of class, i had some honest to god Kautskyites insist to me that peasants are both inherently reactionary and no longer exist. they insist they are 'agrarian proles' but also when wanting to be mean they're peasants???? is there any veracity to this idea because I honestly don't know how to deal with freaks that identify with the second internationale in the year of our lord 2024

[–] EmoThugInMyPhase@hexbear.net 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I mean who cares if they’re non proles lol. Being one doesn’t make you a good person. Even the revolutionaries who believed in their potential differentiated them as they have different circumstances. It’s just a class distinction.

[–] HelltakerHomosexual@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago

again agreed

[–] shitholeislander@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

i had some honest to god Kautskyites

DSA weirdos?

[–] HelltakerHomosexual@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

no actually, most of the DSA people ive met are trans stalinists/maoists

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Stop trying to make me like the DSA.

[–] HelltakerHomosexual@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

its being couped by marxists atm

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 3 points 3 months ago

Why won't you stop?

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 3 points 3 months ago

I think a lot of the people who are scoffing and telling me to read theory have some very formal (and 19th century and irrelevant) idea of what Lumpen means which isn't related to how it's actually used in 21st century discourse. Like imagine legitimately believing that just because someone has felony convictions for shoplifting or selling weed they can't participate in revolutionary work? It's ridiculous on it's face. Or saying "homeless people are lumpen" when half of homeless people in the use have a wage labor job? It's just silly. It's an outdated, irrelevant concept that doesn't apply to the 21st century paradigm of crime, labor, and class consciousness.