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[-] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 52 points 3 months ago

The bar to win (vs Trump) is insanely low and one simple thing she has to do, and just failed to do, is yank the chain around Israel's neck.

Stop caving to the most racist, frothing at the mouth pieces of shit like Greenblatt.

You could actually counter the antisemitism from the ADL and all the liberal media by explicitly stating that Israel DOES NOT represent the views and will of all Jewish people. You could state that a huge portion of those protestors who were arrested were Jews against Israel doing genocide while hiding behind their Jewish identity and the Holocaust. I guess that requires a sliver of backbone and honesty which any American politician in her position is apparently fully incapable of even pretending to have.

But barring a total and full reversal on this rhetoric after her formal nomination (approximately 0% chance), she's going to lose the swing states like Michigan the same as Biden was losing them for the same reasons.

It's just pathetic how tone deaf and stupid liberals are. Kamala doesn't have the excuse of being 8000 years old insulated in a bubble by her family. She's just a wishy-washy political player who is surrounded at the moment by ideologically driven people giving her bad advice instead of being objective and realizing that the insane antisemitic bullshit, condemning anti-Israeli protesters as antisemites, is literally going to lose the election. Is it issue number one for racist-ass Americans across the board? No, unfortunately. But it is a big enough issue in specific states she MUST win.

From pure electoralism standpoint, this is top tier fuck territory. It's not just my own hatred for Israel either. Libs seem hyper focused on that aspect and it blinds them to the objective reality that Muslims, Arabs, Palestinians, and sympathizers with Palestinians are simply not going to vote for the president in key states. Is this really so hard to comprehend? They're not "coming around" on genocide especially when the new nominee is just continuing forward with the exact say rhetoric. The easiest thing to change, how she speaks about protesters, and she couldn't do it. So pathetic. Sad!

[-] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 43 points 3 months ago

Israel is an important outpost of the American Empire, it will not be discarded. They would rather lose.

[-] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 3 months ago

American Empire is over

"You know it, I know it, everyone knows it."

Also, I would argue, that bending to all the insane reactionaries like Bibi, Greenblatt, etc. and fully enabling and furthering genocide only guarantees and quickens the demise of Israel. If they actually cared about maintaining the outpost, they're doing exactly the opposite thing to keeping it. Allowing Palestine as a state and forcing Israel to stand down vs Iran and other regional powers would be how you keep it around... longer anyway. They're living in 1991 forever thinking the US can do literally anything it wants and support anything it wants, and actually it MUST support this because showing "weakness" would be worse than defeat. It's not 1991 though and the Zionists are hellbent on replicating the Führer bunker but on the nation state level

[-] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 3 months ago

I don't think we're there yet. The first and most obvious indicators will be US closing it's foreign military bases, and leaving the south China sea.

[-] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It is not over, but it is slowly declining. It is dangerous to underestimate enemies.

And Israel is serving its purpose well, so they don't see the need to change the approach.

[-] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 3 months ago

Yep, if they discard Isntreal, they might as well close up shop on the whole empire and it's 800+ bases.

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 10 points 3 months ago

Then they shall lose

[-] Thordros@hexbear.net 27 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It's just pathetic how tone deaf and stupid liberals are.

It's difficult to look smart when you're paid to be stupid. They don't need to win to fundraise.

[-] autismdragon@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago

Idk like I said elsewhere something absurd like 2% of voters said that Palestine is a concern for them at all on who they're voting for. I dont have the source but I dont tihnk it bears out the idea that this will matter anywhere but Michigan specifically and there only because of the arab population. I dont think it'll matter in the other swing states. Maybe I'm my own sort of doomer and my doom is that I dont think people by and large consider Palestine something you change your voting patterns over. But I think the young people who made the difference in 2022 who were deflated by Biden were moreso defalted by his age than Palestine, and are now back on board, and care more about abortion and queer rights than Palestine. Especially abortion.

I just dont think this moves the needle.

[-] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 months ago

The "uncommitted vote campaign" during the "primary" says otherwise.

Although of course you are ultimately correct, as I acknowledged before, it isn't a concern for most voters. True enough. But when the margin of victory is 40000 votes (or w/e) in 2020 and 100K people vote uncommitted indicating they won't vote unless policy changes... the math maths there unless those people were lying. We won't know that until November.

[-] MayoPete@hexbear.net 3 points 3 months ago

It switched at least one swing state vote: mine.

I was going to suck it up and vote for her, but her comms team had to put out this shit when they could have just said nothing. Fuck Killer KKKamala

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