"Increase social service programs so that we address the reason why they're homeless and doing drugs in the first place."
"No, that's socialism and Fox News tells me I should be scared of that word!"
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I don't want to pay for other peoples' healthcare so I'd rather pay a lot more for an oppressive police force that also takes away my civil rights.
While still paying for other people's healthcare because that's how insurance works.
Not to mention the societal costs that inevitably come from people being sick
The real "fiscal conservatives" are the "bleeding-heart liberals."
Turns out, productivity soars when you have a well rested, well compensated, well treated, healthy, and housed people who don't have constant stessors of literally every aspect of their lives nearly crumbling beneath them...
That is incompatible with growing wealth disparity. And the rich will always try to get richer.
Yeah but then how would the rich and powerful feel good about themselves?
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No, its the anarchists; libs still means test everything.
Edit: we're also for slashing government spending!
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That's why the bathrooms will show ads 24/7 and the drug safe zones will feature loot drop microtransactions. All participating companies will receive carbon credits. Time to capitalize socialism.
We do that in Finland and there's still homeless people and drug users in the public bathrooms. It sucks, the drug users particularly can be really threatening towards women especially who want to use those bathrooms they've taken over.
Drug use rooms would be a good idea.
Drug use rooms are great, for a lot of things, including helping people get sober. It's a place you can funnel addicts to and make sure they know the resources that are available and that there are people who want them to live their best life.
Like, it's not an endorsement anymore than when a parent tells a teenager that if they need a ride home at any time of night when they're too drunk to drive they won't get in trouble. And it confuses me why so few people see it that way.
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"Increase social service programs so that we address the reason why they're homeless and doing drugs in the first place."
If conservatives were really about ending homelessness and getting them paying taxes instead of 'just' consuming benefits, then they'd be in on this plan of phased rehab and rehousing to accomplish that. It's an investment they don't seem to see and I worry they look down on addict as trash not victims, and merely want the homeless* to silently vanish.
*I know it's not the latest popular word that privileged people use to feel better. Homeless apparently aren't offended as long as people are talking about the situation and investing time in their future, because stick and stones.
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The real anti homeless infrastructure is cheap or free housing
You forgot to add "in city centers". Nobody wants free housing where it's already cheap.
I live out in the boonies. It's cheaper here, but not really when you factor in the costs of travel to get literally anything. Your money is just going into different pockets.
City centers might be a bit much but suburbs are a lot more reasonable. And I don't mean the single detached house style suburbs.
Sparse areas have other costs. Like, you can't get anywhere without a car, there's fewer jobs, less social stuff. Cities have much higher potential on most metrics that matter.
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Let's consider a tax on vacant homes. If landlords got charged market rent for vacancies the house prices would plummet.
Grace to second homeowners or set-length renovations.
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It's actually social services. You gotta treat the reason they're homeless in the first place.
To my knowledge, "housing first" programs work pretty good
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No but see they need to be punished so they still exist as an example to motivate workers and create an internal other to justify police.
Not to help them. Why would we help them? Stop trolling.
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The last panel reminded me of almost 20 years ago when the HPV vaccine first came available. Here in the US I remember the conservative backlash over it.
It wasn't the same as today where conservatives reject the COVID vaccine because that's how they prove to themselves that their freedom and bodily autonomy are intact or some shit. It was much more along the lines of how they like to see people suffer as long as they can tell themselves it was justified.
So it was basically "my daughter isn't getting it because she doesn't need it and isn't a slut," and of course they meant it in the way that anybody who IS a slut deserves to be punished with cervical cancer. Back then they didn't always say the quiet part out loud.
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If you believe that laws forbidding gambling, sale of liquor, sale of contraceptives, requiring definite closing hours, enforcing the Sabbath, or any such, are necessary to the welfare of your community, that is your right and I do not ask you to surrender your beliefs or give up your efforts to put over such laws. But remember that such laws are, at most, a preliminary step in doing away with the evils they indict. Moral evils can never be solved by anything as easy as passing laws alone. If you aid in passing such laws without bothering to follow through by digging in to the involved questions of sociology, economics, and psychology which underlie the causes of the evils you are gunning for, you will not only fail to correct the evils you sought to prohibit but will create a dozen new evils as well.
—Robert A. Heinlein, Take Back Your Government
That sounds like something Heinlein would write during his earlier days. I completely agree with both the argument and reasoning, even tho he turned anti-Communist and insane before he wrote that.
Funny thing! Here's a quote from the same book:
Of what use, then, are the American Communists?
They serve one function extremely useful to you and to the country, so useful that, if there were no Communists, we would almost be forced to create some. They are a reliable litmus paper for detecting real sources of danger to the Republic.
Communism is so repugnant to almost all Americans, when they are getting along even tolerably well, that one may predict with certainty that any social field or group in which the Communists make real strides in gaining members or acceptance of their doctrines, any such spot is in such bad shape from real and not imaginary social ills that the rest of us should take emergency, drastic action to investigate and correct the trouble.
Unfortunately we are more prone to ignore the sick spot thus disclosed and content ourselves with calling out more cops.
Honestly a great point. No one wants to create a glorious revolution when their lives are going well.
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Drug use rooms?
Why not give all people living in a country homes to live in and be done with it?
That is one option, yes.
But safe injection sites are a good idea even when you're housed.
In germany they even provide safe syringes, I was impressed when I saw those dispensers in public WCs.
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Add in "we can't give them drugs that stop overdoses because they'll just want to overdose more"
Nah nah, that’s not cruel or honest enough. “Why should we save them? They deserve to overdose for being an addict! Has anybody seen my coffee order?”
The language of the left in America has been so thoroughly played with by the right we have to go to absurd lengths to try and communicate any policy approach that involves public interest.
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you're*
Ladies and gents and everything in-between. The drugs are going to get used no matter what.
Just give them somewhere to do them.
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Drug use room work, ive recently seen a documentary about one in Switzerland and they give people the possibility to consume safely.
... with a panic button and much greater access to addiction resources.
If there are 10 steps to turning a homeless person into a housed, working taxpayer, this is like step 2.
Canada has failed to move to step 3 because "just arrest those leeches" is the position of half our society.
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*you're
Every single one of these always links back to a government that absolutely refuses to help its people. It’s simple cause and effect.
Where else are they supposed to shit, they don't have a house, that's the whole premise of the thing
And give them affordable housing and you'll solve the homelessness problem.
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