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Raddle dunking on lemmy for dunking on raddle
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What the fuck is a Raddle?
raddle is where like four weird lifestyle anarchists (this is code words for libertarians with left aesthetics) pretend to be a lot more than four users
Aren't lifestylists individualists rather than on the libertarian left? Isn't that the whole reason Bookchin denounced them?
maybe this is a regional thing, but when I think "libertarian" with no modifiers it's weirdo american right wingers, so i'm saying these are super individualists who are opposed to collective action and just pretend to be leftist anarchists
Doesn't raddle hate leftists though? They're pretty open about it: https://youtube.com/watch?v=50x0qcddf2k
Yes but they also pretend to be them
Someone called them out for banning leftists yesterday and got banned for it. It was hilarious: https://raddle.me/f/meta/177962/how-come-you-re-so-quick-to-ban-leftists-for-the-slightest
Wow...that really is something else. It's like a weird bizzaro version of what the right wing thinks the left wing is like. Also "paranoid" is apparently an ableist slur now. I didn't get the memo, but as someone with a paranoia based disorder I hereby give everyone here the P-word pass.
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Damn takes me back.
Just from memory, I think Raddle started as an alt-Reddit back when shitredditsays was still a thing. I remember getting an invite on the IRC.
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hexbear dunking on raddle dunking on lemmy dunking on raddle 
need to learn to leave people on read tbh 
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so ziq's in that thread mocking db0 and calling them a tankie, isn't db0 an anarchist / anarchist adjacent(?)
Apparently anarcho-lifestylists think ancoms are secret tankies or something. You can see their feud start here: https://raddle.me/f/Anarchism/81827/how-anarcho-communism-would-create-authority
Highlight: Db0 calls ziq an authoritarian for opposing democracy.
It was then turned into an even bigger anti-ancom rant:
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ziq-burn-the-bread-book-make-anarchy
“How would you feed people then, genius?” I hear you scoff. The answer is simple; tried and tested for millennia. I wouldn’t feed people.
LMAO
People would feed themselves instead of expecting others to labor to feed them; an entitlement that arose with industrial civilization. People would be inclined to protect the forests instead of bulldozing them for the supposed convenience of industrial food production if they picked their food directly from those forests everyday.
They’d protect the forests with their very lives because they’d need the food that grows in the forests to survive without industrial farms, bakeries and factories outsourcing food production and then hiding the ecocide they cause just out of sight of the villages and their carefully manicured streets.
what a terrible solution. so individualist its almost darwinian. it is also ecocidal in itself, by creating a world in which humans compete with animals, humans will kill animals. without farming, you are now competing with deer and whatever schmuck or tribe moves faster than you. theres a reason humans would go out and kill various 'pest' animals and predators: their existence demanded it at the time, for better or worse. the only way to buck this trend is with proper technology and planning. lets also just forget how many plants you need to feed a family sustainably, and also lets forget how much modern agriculture (and breeding, which you are taking advantage of when you grow these supposedly 'natural' plants, which oftentimes cant grow without perfect soil conditions given how altered they are, fuck lets forget that many forests have a severe dearth of any native food edible to humans) multiplies the productivity of plants, this plan is inherently genocidal. there is also a mention from ziq that seems to imply that complex forest ecosystems of the past were naturally more productive than agriculture. but why, then, did humans begin to cultivate plants? for funsies?
also, people do get tied up with literal family trees and demand protections of forests, this is common in most societies that are not settler-colonial and heavily urbanized
Social darwinists seem to forget that selfish species go extinct quite frequently
Also your big bad predators. Wolves, lions, bald eagles, all endangered. Any animal can end up that way. Humans too if we fail to manage our environment correctly.
Also the idea that ancient forests were more productive for humans gives off Christian brain worms vibes
Like yeah we should just get naked and eat apples forever and laugh at God for telling us not to talk to snakes. That's how this reads to me
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It is inherently genocidal because subsistence farming has pretty low carrying capacity, and hunting and gathering even lower. Abandoning industial agriculture means starvation for 90% of world's population.
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https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ziq-burn-the-bread-book-make-anarchy
They really let anyone contribute, huh?
No gods, no editors
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I went into that thread to talk to them but holy fuck, these replies are essentially demanding trans people self harm
Large concentration of trans people on hexbear just goes to show that not all queer people are cool people, and we're not automatically going to have anything more in common just by sharing a part of our identity. I don't think trans tankies are any better than cis tankies.
No you in fact do share a lot, it's been my experience overwhelmingly that our experiences are very uniform. I can talk and relate to people from all over the globe trivially, things are that shit for us everywhere. This sort of rhetoric is detrimental to the survival of the trans community, and is purely for the sake of ideology. For fucks sake, 90% of trans people are socialist. This is essentially encouraging trans people to check out of the community that helps them most (and I have had one person internalize this argument in person! It led to total self ostracization of help for ideological reasons). Sectarianism is so fuckin ridiculous. In my view, it's incredibly important to have large non corporate trans spaces, it is easier to translate online activity to real world activity with trans people because we're desperate to get good things happening. This rhetoric tries to interdict that
tankies are worse because they should know better than to do around the clock propaganda for authoritarian homophobic states
Trans people get food and housing in these states, which is the biggest issue to fix in the west, based on my experience working with people. Mutual aid and charity have unfortunately been unable to tackle this completely, and regardless, the rhetoric before interdicts even anarchist mutual aid
most people have no authority-consciousness but marginalized people absolutely do, and yet some of us choose to use that consciousness to push for more authority, convinced stalin 2.0 is going to liberate us. it's obscene
Specters still haunting
not all queer people are cool people,
Norman Finkelstein is right? apparently radlibs really do only care about LGBT for building their social capital as fashionable
I don't think trans tankies are any better than cis tankies.
convinced stalin 2.0 is going to liberate us. it's obscene
lol how's your "liberatory free markets" doing in Ukraine after leftoids heroically SMASHED THE STALINIST STATE in the 2014 coup? Remember that psychotic genocidal trans who was fired for being too mask off in their obscenity? Hmm
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They're trolling you now https://raddle.me/f/TankiesGonnaTank/178095/i-suppose-gulags-are-sorta-food-and-shelter-congrats
Lmao gulags? Prison slavery is legal in the US, and those prisons are privately owned with quotas to meet.
But please, lecture me about gulags
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Yeah I'm aware, very special. Doesn't bother me, it's just sad that they're hurting themselves and encouraging others to do so. Also saying that stat is incorrect is nonsense, I polled a large lgbt org for that number, over 100 trans people so likely very representative for my area which statistically should have around 1000 trans people. There have been more systematic estimates suggesting 80% are hard left. Could be involvement in an org boosts it by 10%
They can say China doesn't have free shelters or cheap as hell housing all they want, I have contact with many trans groups in China that handle mutual aid, I take their word over ziqs or checks notes the fucking Economist. Id really like to increase the Chinese speaking community here so you can hear it direct from them. It's still not a picnic but the conditions are different, which is unique.
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This now an AMA post.
@ziq@hexbear.net, how do you feel about showering with your homies? Personally, I can't really respect a person until I've seen their hog.
e: pronoun correction
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Dunking this, dunking that, how about we all dunk some Oreos in milk and have a nice day
alright, enough of this showboating, @ziq@hexbear.net let's settle this on the court, our best 3 against your best 3, street rules... unless you're chicken??
spoiler
Their best 3 are all ziq alts.
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Lmao
I've been too busy working the past few days to keep up with online drama
I'm fucking tired but it's cool I made the even more terminally online "leftists" at raddle mad hehehe
Would it be too online of me to write a response?
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Always fun to go on Raddle and read a conversation between ziq and his many alts
Ziq is they them from what someone said here
Corrected. Also makes sense considering all the sockpuppet accounts
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