Listen, this user is a terminally online anarchist who complains about tankies and calls Stalin genocidal. But shes correct about this one. Mostly. I mean using the term "bedtime abolition" sounds dumb but Im pretty sure she only did that because its a common joke about anarchists. The core point is about how 9-5 work schedules dont work for everyone. As an ND person who struggles with culturally normal sleep schedules, I absolutely agree that society needs to accomodate these things. I absolutely agree that its literally normal talk everyone says that work schedules suck.

People saying "just go to bed on time" or "just pop a melatonin" have never been in the position of trying to do that and failing, just laying awake for hours until you finally fall asleep two hours before you need to be up.

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[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

the most common criticisms of anarchist ideas are not that they're wrong, but that they're obviously true, yet meaningless in the face of the bigger picture that this is just how things ought to be

[–] WithoutFurtherBelay@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago

which is just capitalist realism #2

[–] voight@hexbear.net 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I don't understand why "time is a social construct" means that it isn't important, or that it not being important is a prerequisite for respecting people's energy needs. Aren't we just asking for the resting time of workers to be valued and allowed flexibility?

[–] CptKrkIsClmbngThMntn@hexbear.net 11 points 10 months ago

Not quite what you're looking for, but in Andreas Malm's Fossil Capital he talks about the shift from concrete time - time attached to day/night cycles, seasonal cycles, weather patterns, etc. - to abstract time, which is fungible and standardized. If your mill runs on water power for example, you're beholden to the former. If you buy a fancy new coal steam engine, you can deal in abstract labour hours. You can run your mill at any time of day or any time of night, or even throw up another set of machines, pull in twice as many workers, and get twice as many labour hours out of a day.

One of the most frustrating things about the more professional jobs I've had is that they really are buying a discrete number of labour hours from me. It has nothing to do with the amount of work that needs to be done. When I was in the factory and the machines on our line would go down, they'd tell us to wipe them down. It doesn't take nearly a full shift (not to mention the last shift already pretended to wipe it down) but letting us go home, read a book, do anything productive or enjoyable, or even fucking sit down would be a lapse of their control over the abstract hours they bought from us. It's a similar story in my current tech job, with the only difference being they're just a lot less strict on white-collar machine operators.

Time is obviously a "real thing" in human terms (I don't care about the metaphysics right this second) but even though it's astronomically rigid and having precision in timekeeping opens up a lot of social and material technology, it is a very strange thing to be buying and selling it in slices. It's even stranger to rely on that to have to feed and shelter yourself.

I think there's a really great bit of :graeber: writing on this but I'm not sure where.

[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Aren't we just asking for the resting time of workers to be valued and allowed flexibility?

Pretty much yeah. And respect for people's different circadian rythems and such.

Initially i agree that when anarchists say "time abolition " its a rhetorically bad way of asking for a good thing. But then i remember that that people react to police abolition, prison abolition, and decolinization like theyre asking for things they arent asking for, and then people say they are rhetorically bad terms. And i wonder if its really so bad or if its just another radical way of asking for something good. Not really sure.

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[–] grandepequeno@hexbear.net 6 points 10 months ago

Online anarchists are the least politically useful group among the left

[–] Hexbear2@hexbear.net 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Personally for me, I feel like making the work day norm 6 hours a day, 30 hours a week, would solve a lot of my bedtime stress issues. The modern world demands too much of our time to get it all done, the 8 hour work day was built around a different world of nearly 100 years ago.

[–] Gay_Wrath@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago

We need the 4/20/69 model

4 days a week max 20 hours a week max $69 an hour

[–] bigboopballs@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago

30 hours a week is still too much time to dedicate to meaningless crap. If the work wasn't under Capitalism, I might feel differently.

[–] Gay_Wrath@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I agree with the X'r, but hot take

Everyone should have a self directed bedtime, because that's the best practice for sleep hygiene and preventing insomnia :)

[–] Anne_Teefa@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago

Sorry for my comrades at Wally world, but I really miss going whenever I needed to. Having it open 24/7 makes even more sense now than before because of the prevalence of self checkout. I remember making so many late night runs wether just getting off of work and heading there or on a whim at 3am to see if anyone stole magic cards and pick up what they left behind(I play commander, we use just about everything...[except these days it's like modern or legacy]). Wish they'd bring it back ( a small plus side is more working hours [to have your labor exploited...]). cri

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