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I know the leftist in me is supposed to have sympathy for these people and get them to unionize. But only after I stop laughing and enjoying this moment. For years these fucks told the rest of us to “learn to code” and pretended like studying anything else at uni was a fucking waste of time.

GUESS WHAT FUCKERS. SO WAS CODING. Looks like we’ll be baristas together, only I’ll have three years of experience!!!

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[–] whatup@hexbear.net 23 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Learn to code bros have fallen. All that’s left are the Go to trade school bros who act like trades are completely free to learn, guarantee unionized employment and don’t absolutely destroy your body.

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[–] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 23 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I think this is mostly going to end up hurting PMC ghouls who were middle managers at like Google, Facebook, or Twitter, at least in the long run. The world would have to radically collapse in order for coding/IT jobs to stop growing in general, since every business and industry is only going to get increasingly entangled with digital technology. What's drying up are the "Lead Metaverse Development Specialist" type positions, as the US Government slows down the free money tap and giant tech conglomerates have to stop setting cash on fire.

That's all to say: I think it's fine to laugh at this. If these people have real skills beyond "project management," they'll probably be fine (or as fine as anyone) eventually; they might just have to get real jobs.

[–] valium_aggelein@hexbear.net 12 points 8 months ago

Yeah this anecdotally checks out. We had lay offs at my company and like 80% of people affected were management of some type. They specifically didn’t cut people “that contribute” so kinda just admitting how bullshit many of these jobs are. Some junior level devs were affected too though and that was sad of course

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[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 23 points 8 months ago (2 children)

How about "Learn to plumb"? All that code is going to be useless when your sanitation and water delivery systems collapse due to a lack of tradesmen.

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[–] QuillcrestFalconer@hexbear.net 22 points 8 months ago (14 children)

Yep, and it's only going to get worse, specially if you look at new AI systems like Devin

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[–] Shinji_Ikari@hexbear.net 21 points 8 months ago (4 children)

As long as I could remember I just wanted to make contraptions. I was always ripping apart my toys and connecting wires. I always resented the "I'm going into engineering for the money" crowd, like damn, leave some room for the people who actually want to do this.

Thankfully I know about more than making web pages, but I'm sorta worried elite tier web devs who have been living in the most convoluted systems ever designed by man are going to realize its actually easier to learn electrical engineering.

[–] PapaEmeritusIII@hexbear.net 12 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I always resented the "I'm going into engineering for the money" crowd, like damn, leave some room for the people who actually want to do this.

I always resented the people who thought this way, because I went into engineering for the money, and the people who vocally thought this tended to be upper middle class with big safety nets. Not saying this is where you’re coming from, btw. But it always felt like some people thought I didn’t belong there or couldn’t be a good engineer because my motives weren’t “pure” enough, like I should feel bad for wanting to live a more comfortable life than my parents and I did when I was growing up.

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[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

it's funny. I've ended up here because it's what I'm good at doing. but slowly I've come to learn is that what I'm better at and what I really like to do is solving the sociotechnical problems that make working in a particular workplace miserable. so I've adjusted over time. it's not really a position you can interview for, so my resume is all normal technical engineering, but there's a narrow slice I target because doing that particular job means solving the social problems I really want to get at. and my dream is that I stay at one place long enough so that I can make it obvious that the root of all these problems is the fucking executives so it's time to form a union!! (tech types will never go for it without the upfront work that gets them to see you as a friend and ally in their struggles, personally, and without the plank by plank evidence that the owners are genuinely to blame).

in other words, my life became politics even before I became a leftist niko-dance

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[–] Mindfury@hexbear.net 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)

learn to pull espresso shots, nerds

[–] buh@hexbear.net 20 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] space_comrade@hexbear.net 13 points 8 months ago

Excuse me I'm actually going to be a Chief Coffee Experience Architect.

[–] Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml 21 points 8 months ago

This specifically applies to the big companies in the US.

Companies are still desperate for coders in Sweden. I got my current job first week of searching months before graduating.

I absolutely agree that "learn to code" is obnoxious of course. Just saying that coders are still in high demand even if the tech giants are laying off.

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 20 points 8 months ago

biden-troll The economy has never been better!

[–] daniyeg@lemmy.ml 20 points 8 months ago (1 children)

people are underestimating the severity of the situation, a lot of furry artists and coffee shops are gonna go bust as well.

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[–] homhom9000@hexbear.net 16 points 8 months ago

I don't have any other skills and my company is insistent on doing more layoffs, while telling us everything is great. The previous layoffs are showing since we're having more impactful bugs with nobody to fix it. I want to unionize but other techies at my office think on the individual level when it comes to their career. I can't blame them I guess since any of us can be decided to go whenever. But that's more the reason we're stronger together so I'll still tell them about how much more power we have and hope it sticks

[–] JuanGLADIO@hexbear.net 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Techies here.. why aren’t we unionizing via hexbear?

[–] crispy_lol@hexbear.net 16 points 8 months ago

Because the capitalists are winning. Techies in generally skew a bit individualistic and libertarian, and the communist ones are generally pussies content to live high on the hog because if I made a communist ruckus I’m sure they would be happy to kick me out.

But in general, we’re paid off as petit bourgeois and often we do the job of the middle managers anyway: tracking and compiling metrics and anything else the shareholders can use to lay us off or keep us in check. Yes if we had class solidarity we could weaponize our labor power, we are the doers of the most profitable companies in the world. It doesn’t happen for the same reason restaurant workers haven’t unionized broadly in the US: the capitalists are winning, they’re good at keeping us down, and they put a great deal of effort into propaganda to keep the game running.

[–] dudes_eating_beans@hexbear.net 15 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I learned to code and I honestly kinda hate it. Started having an existential crisis in my 30s, learned enough to get me hired, do the same shit every day, I'm kinda going nuts. I miss doing manual labor honestly.

Idk how long I'll stay in this industry. I guess until I get fired for being bad at my job. Maybe I'll go back to school and get an English degree and just teach overseas or something

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[–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Hey look I get the celebration, lots of people are real assholes in the industry but I'm stressed and drinking all the time

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[–] grandepequeno@hexbear.net 11 points 8 months ago

honestly if all web dev jobs collapse in like 10 years, it'd still be worth it for me due to just how incredibly relaxed my remote work job is.

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