Guy wants a liquor license for his bakery. Does $25K in renovations and gets new insurance costing an additional $10K annually, and only after all of that does he bother to see if he can get a liquor license at that location. Turns out he can't, due to an unambiguous law, a measurement you could have taken from Google Earth, and a church (where they fucking mummify people lol) that's been around for 50 years.

The media response to lighting tens of thousands of dollars on fire because you didn't do basic shit involved in running a business? A sympathetic half-puff piece that of course never raises the idea that you could have figured this shit out on a computer in an hour for free, or maybe paid a lawyer a lot less than $35K+ to do the research for you.

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[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 31 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Counterpoint: What reasonable person would think "Oh gee, I need to make sure my business isn't too close to a church for it to sell alcohol." What, are all the little old Mormon ladies going to get drunk on the wine vapor wafting across the street?

[–] regul@hexbear.net 21 points 7 months ago

Yeah these zoning regulations unambiguously suck ass.

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 19 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What reasonable person would think "Oh gee, I need to make sure my business isn't too close to a church for it to sell alcohol."

Anyone who looks up the requirements for a liquor license

[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Not to get too into the weeds here - I honestly don't care about the specifics because the regulation is dumb theocratic NIMBYism and I doubt the commission goes out of its way to make it clear - but the proximity is just vaguely listed as something DABS is required to consider. Neither information on their website nor the regulation itself has a distance measurement.

Of all the things you can dunk on a business for, this one seems weird and nitpicky.

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

https://abs.utah.gov/licenses-permits/applications-renewals/proximity-restrictions/

It's a real rule with the distance requirement plainly spelled out.

"Can I actually get a liquor license for my business" is basic question for a business owner, one you can and should get a firm answer on before dropping $35K. This guy failed at a basic task, blew a ton of money because of it, and the media response is as charitable and forgiving as you can imagine. The fact that this guy sat for an interview to publicize his fuckup speaks to how businesses are treated with kid gloves.

[–] regul@hexbear.net 2 points 7 months ago

I think it speaks more to how there are a large number of Utahns who resent the administrative state being co-opted by theocratic moralists.

[–] buh@hexbear.net 29 points 7 months ago

opening a bar in the mormon state

honestly would this even be profitable?

Department of Alcoholic Beverage Services (DABS)

bro got dabbed on lol

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 18 points 7 months ago (2 children)

A bakery that sells alcohol?

[–] edge@hexbear.net 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Could be nice as a hangout spot actually.

[–] buh@hexbear.net 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

idk about you but for me eating sugary, starchy food while drinking is the fastest way to feel like shit

[–] Aryuproudomenowdaddy@hexbear.net 12 points 7 months ago

Also interferes with getting a good buzz.

[–] driving_crooner 6 points 7 months ago

Wines, champagne, maybe artisanal beer.

[–] D61@hexbear.net 3 points 7 months ago

Fake it till you make it bayyybeee!