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[–] Yllych@hexbear.net 68 points 6 months ago (5 children)

But the achievements of the 1990s and 2000s—the high point of liberal capitalism—are unmatched in history. Hundreds of millions escaped poverty in China as it integrated into the global economy. The infant-mortality rate worldwide is less than half what it was in 1990. The percentage of the global population killed by state-based conflicts hit a post-war low of 0.0002% in 2005; in 1972 it was nearly 40 times as high. The latest research shows that the era of the “Washington consensus”, which today’s leaders hope to replace, was one in which poor countries began to enjoy catch-up growth, closing the gap with the rich world.

Wtaf is this. You can thank the state capacity and communists of China for the poverty numbers , not whatever these dolts think liberalism accomplished. And they're gonna ignore the immiseration inflicted intentionally by those very same liberals upon the post USSR states and Yugoslavia?

And I'm just a simple country communist but , rhetorically speaking, I would probably not cite a year in the mid 2000s as a benchmark for low war deaths, even if it is technically true they don't cite anything so the claim is basically useless. mission-accomplished

As for poor countries catching up with their extractors in the imperial core I just have to laugh. What do you think happens to your western import predicated economy if, say, the cobalt miners of Africa or the garment workers of Bangladesh , or the auto workers of Mexico all unionised and demanded the exploited portion of value for their labour? Or the states themselves at least took that portion in their hands instead of foreign companies. Let's count how many Washington bullets fall on their heads in the name of price stabilité sunday-friend

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 42 points 6 months ago

Leave it to the economist to engage in the most shameless rewriting of history.

[–] Maoo@hexbear.net 32 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Even the 2005 number is certainly bullshit. This was the middle of The Iraq War where the US was in the process of killing about a million people in Iraq alone. I'm sure the statistic is a "clever" accounting that refused to call the insurgency or US-killed civilians "state-based" or conveniently did not count those dying from the destruction of infrastructure and lack of necessities.

Liberals constantly lie.

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 16 points 6 months ago

If there was a famine in the USSR it is because Stalin used his big straw to drink all of the rain personally.

If there is an infrastructure collapse in a country the US invades, well that's just market conditions baby.

[–] Greenleaf@hexbear.net 27 points 6 months ago

If you remove the USSR and the PRC from the calculation, world poverty was basically unchanged in the 20th century. Liberalism hasn’t does shit for the global south.

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 27 points 6 months ago

very-intelligent

"WhY Do YoU HaTe ThE GlObAl PoOr?" -r/neoliberal

[–] Sebrof@hexbear.net 20 points 6 months ago

Yeah, I had a lot of eye rolling when reading this article

[–] supafuzz@hexbear.net 46 points 6 months ago (1 children)

it's coming apart because America is dismantling it

an epic, world-historic self-own

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 24 points 6 months ago

After dabbing on the world for 4 decades, alas, the world dabbed back.

[–] emizeko@hexbear.net 43 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

A Pessimistic Economist Laments The End Of Order | Moon of Alabama

Interestingly the Economist does not name a solution or way to avoid it. It sees a collapse coming, blames -more or less- the U.S. for causing it, but does not point to way out of it.

That is an uncharacteristically pessimistic view for writers who otherwise like to paint a positive picture for those with big money.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 32 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Is this capitalist media finally entering acceptance stages of grief? :)

[–] jack@hexbear.net 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No this is definitely depression

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 months ago

I guess one more stage to go :)

[–] sir_this_is_a_wendys@hexbear.net 22 points 6 months ago

That is an uncharacteristically pessimistic view for writers who otherwise like to paint a positive picture for those with big money.

Hard to stay positive when you see the gui

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 40 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The IMF is gripped by an identity crisis, caught between a green agenda

disgost :sus:

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 32 points 6 months ago

I chuckled at that bit as well, par for the course considering this is the economist

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 38 points 6 months ago

Don't threaten me with a good time!

[–] MusicOwl@hexbear.net 36 points 6 months ago

picard-direct-action make it so!

[–] davel@hexbear.net 35 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I’m not going to prematurely celebrate the collapse of the liberal international order as it may yet find a way to limp along a while longer. But.

We have already seen earlier, when discussing world schematism, that in connection with this Hegelian nodal line of measure relations — in which quantitative change suddenly passes at certain points into qualitative transformation — Herr Dühring had a little accident: in a weak moment he himself recognised and made use of this line. We gave there one of the best-known examples — that of the change of the aggregate states of water, which under normal atmospheric pressure changes at 0° C from the liquid into the solid state, and at 100°C from the liquid into the gaseous state, so that at both these turning-points the merely quantitative change of temperature brings about a qualitative change in the condition of the water.

—Engels, Anti-Dühring

There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen.

— Vladimir Lenin, allegedly

“How did you go bankrupt?” Bill asked.

“Two ways,” Mike said. “Gradually, then suddenly.”

— Ernest Hemingway, The Sun Also Rises

“As he read, I fell in love the way you fall asleep: slowly, and then all at once.”

— John Green, The Fault in Our Stars

Quote Investigator: Days Into Which 20 Years Are Compressed

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 20 points 6 months ago

Change often unfolds in a gradual manner, with its true impact only becoming apparent when an inflection point is reached. As the current system operates within acceptable parameters, the subtle accumulation of issues may go unnoticed. However, as these problems continue to pile up, they eventually reach a critical mass that renders it impossible to maintain the status quo.

[–] Emanuel 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The Engels quote goes so hard

[–] davel@hexbear.net 11 points 6 months ago

finkelstein-lambaste

Herr Dührnell

Herr Dührelli

Herr Dühringo

[–] iByteABit@hexbear.net 6 points 6 months ago

The Engels one fucks

[–] Sebrof@hexbear.net 35 points 6 months ago
[–] moitoi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 6 months ago

For years the order that has governed the global economy since the second world war has been eroded. Today it is close to collapse.

Nope, Keynesianism and Hayekism aren't the same. The order changed with the lost of the manufacturing economy and the rise of the services in the western world.

I do agree that we are at the end of a period if not civilization. Capitalism is cracking and won't survive.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Holy shit this article gave me copium overdose and intense second hand embarrassment.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 14 points 6 months ago
[–] SuperZutsuki@hexbear.net 25 points 6 months ago
[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 25 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

The decline of the system threatens to slow that progress, or even throw it into reverse. Once broken, it is unlikely to be replaced by new rules. Instead, world affairs will descend into their natural state of anarchy that favours banditry and violence. Without trust and an institutional framework for co-operation, it will become harder for countries to deal with the 21st century’s challenges, from containing an arms race in artificial intelligence to collaborating in space. Problems will be tackled by clubs of like-minded countries. That can work, but will more often involve coercion and resentment, as with Europe’s carbon border-tariffs or China’s feud with the IMF. When co-operation gives way to strong-arming, countries have less reason to keep the peace

Literally nothing different there. The difference is that America won't have a monopoly on the banditry and violence anymore.

It is true that the system established after the second world war achieved a marriage between America’s internationalist principles and its strategic interests.

EXCUSE ME? America's INTERNATIONALIST principles? Are you taking the piss mate? Having a laugh.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 18 points 6 months ago

Reading these articles from mainstream western media is like stepping into an alternate reality.

[–] rio@hexbear.net 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Historians talking about Pax Romana and Pax Britannia but not talking about the fucking Gauls, Dacians, Jews, or about native Australians, Indians, or the entire continent of Africa.

[–] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 6 points 6 months ago

They make a desert and call it peace.

[–] nohaybanda@hexbear.net 16 points 6 months ago
[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 15 points 6 months ago
[–] sir_this_is_a_wendys@hexbear.net 11 points 6 months ago

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