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[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 145 points 5 months ago (7 children)

The Japanese say "shouganai" which literally translates to "It can't be helped."

The problem is, 90% of the time, it absolutely can be helped.

[–] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 105 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Me:"It is what it is."

Narrator:"But it wasn't."

[–] deus@lemmy.world 28 points 5 months ago (3 children)

It do be like that sometimes.

[–] ramirezmike@programming.dev 43 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)
[–] flicker@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago (2 children)

This is my new favorite sentence and now I will find a way to say it out loud.

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[–] Stern@lemmy.world 23 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Inshallah, or, "God willing" is the Quran approved version.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I hear that meaning "I hope so"

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[–] neo@lemy.lol 15 points 5 months ago

The problem is, 90% of the time, it absolutely can be helped.

Shouganai.

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[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 106 points 5 months ago (8 children)

I feel like "it is what it is" is too often shit on.

I had a boss from whom I learned about staying calm and keeping steady course.

His favorite saying was "it is what it is" and it was always in the context of simply recognizing the reality for what it is, instead of hoping or wishing it was something else or lamenting over how it should have gone a different way. Then, from the point of accepting that "it is what it is" we would focus on how to get to where we wanted to be.

Sure it can be used dismissively, but I feel like people always just dismiss it as a cliche when it's actually usually a very good philosophy.

[–] Glytch@lemmy.world 57 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

"Though-terminating" is not necessarily a negative thing.

Like how your boss used it: stop the train of anger and reframe the problem in a more constructive way.

It's still terminating a thought, it just wasn't a productive thought and needed terminating.

Edit: typo

[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Good point, I didn't really consider that it could be used in a good way.

Although, in my defense, they are using the term cliche which usually has negative connotations.

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[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It's what it's

[–] spittingimage@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I had a boss who used to say the same thing. He was telling us "We didn't set this dumpster on fire, but somehow it's our job to handle it. No point bitching, so roll your sleeves up and get to it." I've started saying the same thing for the same reason.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 86 points 5 months ago (8 children)

Thought Terminating Cliches can be useful because it is not productive to worry about things over which you have no power.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 47 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Not YOLO, though, which is often used to stop thinking about the consequences of choosing to do something stupid.

[–] runeko@programming.dev 23 points 5 months ago (4 children)

I also often hear "It is what it is" to mean "someone made a bad decision and I'm not fighting it like I should."

[–] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 13 points 5 months ago

Or the thing has already been done.

[–] GnomeKat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 5 months ago

I see it used oftentimes to dismiss systematic injustice aswell... "it is what it is"..

which on an individual level feels like we have no control over but is infact something we have a lot of control over. A very malignant useage I feel

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[–] Hegar@kbin.social 76 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (11 children)

This term seems like just an insult wearing academic robes. And a tautology. All cliches over simplify the world, side-stepping complex analysis.

There's nothing "thought terminating" about acknowledging that a problem is beyond your scope - which is what the first two mean. I've only heard YOLO used to encourage risk-taking, which is completely different.

Realistically, these are often just social cues that you're bored with the conversation.

Obviously whether you use a cliche to avoid thinking deeper on a topic or for some other reason changes with each use. It's not inherent to the phrase.

[–] BeaverDonut@sh.itjust.works 25 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (14 children)

I don't think either of these are really thought terminating cliches inherently. The phrase is more for their usage as a rhetorical device to end arguments in certain ways. They become them when they are "used to intentionally dismiss dissent or justify fallacious logic" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought-terminating_clich%C3%A9)

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[–] jkozaka@lemm.ee 54 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I feel like "fuck it we ball" applies too. At least that's how I use it.

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 39 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Or the Klingon "Today is a good day to die."

Instead of saying, "We're all going to die, why even bother?", they go, "We're all going to die, let's speedrun this bitch!"

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[–] emptyother@programming.dev 46 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Well, sometimes an end to a discussion is exactly whats needed. Sometimes. Like when theres literally nothing to do about something. Or the discussion is going in circles. Or when it would take shorter time to try it out in practice than have another meeting about the best way to implement it.

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 14 points 5 months ago

I hear “it is what it is” used as a kind of “it’s okay to move on”:

A: I hurt my back and had to cancel my vacation.

B: Oh no, I’m so sorry!

A: Well, it is what it is. What’s for lunch?

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[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 35 points 5 months ago (4 children)
[–] ElderWendigo@sh.itjust.works 15 points 5 months ago

That's another good one.

[–] Klear@sh.itjust.works 11 points 5 months ago

Shit happens.

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[–] HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 5 months ago (3 children)
[–] TheSaus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 5 months ago

Awful, added to my vocabulary

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[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 28 points 5 months ago (3 children)

“I haven’t stopped thinking about this since”

[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 11 points 5 months ago

That's a meme terminating cliche

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[–] melisdrawing@lemmy.world 28 points 5 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Thrillhouse@lemmy.world 28 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I think these phrases can also help if you are a person, like I am, who ruminates in unhelpful and damaging thought patterns.

Some of us think and agonize too much in an unhealthy way and definitely need ways to shut it down.

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[–] DODOKING38@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago (4 children)

But what about "It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose"?

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago

That's not a Thought-Terminator, that is life!

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[–] tacosplease@lemmy.world 23 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They don't think it be like it is, but it do.

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[–] ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago

“Living their best life” and “Speaking their truth” are recent and annoying examples of this.

The first is always used to dismiss self destructive or irresponsible behaviour. The second is often used to make a statement that is either false, manipulative, subjective or a combination. Their isn’t a personal truth, there is only truth.

[–] dogsnest@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago

Thought-Terminating Cliches aren't self-fulfilling!

It is what it is, I guess.

[–] 8000gnat@reddthat.com 15 points 5 months ago

maybe they couldn't stop thinking about it but I'm built different

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

Ah well, live and learn!

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Or just "thought-stoppers".

Loaded language meant to quell criticism and dissent.

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 11 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Loaded language meant to quell criticism and dissent.

Jesus Christ, Lemmy is way too anarchist for me to handle sometimes.

People just don't want to think about stuff that doesn't affect them or that they can't change. Not everything is some kind of fascist conspiracy.

[–] cybersandwich@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago (6 children)

It is what it is, ya know?

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[–] TheGiantKorean@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Can't stop thinking about thought terminating cliches? Sounds like you need a thought terminating cliche!

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[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Cool story, bro.

Or my personal favorite, "that's just like, your opinion, man."

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[–] guyrocket@kbin.social 9 points 5 months ago

Well I'm just sayin

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

Lol this lady doesn't know what platitudes are... hilarious

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