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[-] citrussy_capybara@hexbear.net 46 points 2 months ago

China won’t even let people in Xinjiang die of lung cancer anymore because of authoritarian woke smdh

[-] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 36 points 2 months ago

Smh. Genocidal Chinese doctors refuse to step foot into an area where Uyghers live.

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 26 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

You know when you're a kid, and you (hopefully) have that kind of warm background feeling of being looked after, and that feeling sort of matriculates upward into your emerging worldview and you just kind of assume, at least until proven wrong, that the powers that be are there because they're mostly competent and have your best interests at heart?

One reason I know I'm a communist and not just a nihilist, other than all the reading I have to do, is that the achievements of societies run by their people instead of the creeping cosmic horror of capital, can still make me feel that sense of wonder, of progress, of comfort that some great power out there really does want what's best for everyone- and it's on the risespecter

[-] jack@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago

do we ever do sincerely hopeful site tags or are they just for dunking

[-] marsxyz@hexbear.net 23 points 2 months ago

They are turning Uighours into cyborg !!!! Thus is cyber genocide !!!!

[-] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 22 points 2 months ago

That's cool, 5000km is a long way away. Fiber optic latency at 5000km is about 100ms, plus whatever is inherent to the device.

What does this look like in the future? Some surgeon in a central location jacking in to execute 10 different robosurgeries around the country?

[-] Coolkidbozzy@hexbear.net 16 points 2 months ago

That's a lot of latency with regards to surgery. The robots themselves are designed to have almost none to keep it as safe as a similar laparoscopic procedure. The tech is good but there needs to be less latency before any regulator would approve this

Historically, surgical robots were funded by the pentagon as a project to perform remote surgeries in a battlefield. Latency made that project fail, but refined the tech used in modern surgical robotics

[-] Philosophosphorous@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago

this is also why we need mecha in addition to drones imo

[-] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago

The tech is good but there needs to be less latency before any regulator would approve this

To this idiot 100ms doesn't seem like a lot, are surgeons really operating on like jet fighter levels here? Going by feelings alone I feel like "do it 20% slower to not cut an artery due to 100ms delay" seems like a huge step up from "Nobody is there to save you, RIP bud"

Genuinely curious, can you elaborate here?

[-] Philosophosphorous@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago

not an expert but i believe there is an element of haptic feedback with these surgery robotics so you can 'feel' what you are doing and how much resistance there is to your actions, imagine trying to cut next to an artery without being able to feel when you are about to cut into it until 100ms late for example. even more difficult if the system relies on pure visual input to the surgeon with no haptics information.

[-] Coolkidbozzy@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

there is an element of haptic feedback with these surgery robotics so you can 'feel' what you are doing and how much resistance there is to your actions, imagine trying to cut next to an artery without being able to feel when you are about to cut into it until 100ms late for example

Exactly this. Only in the last few months haptic feedback is beginning to roll out on some instruments for the latest da vinci system, which is the most popular surgical robot of this kind (they did surgery on a grape). No other robots that I'm aware of have haptic feedback yet, and visual 'haptics' are all robotic surgeons traditionally have.

Minimal feedback is the main drawback of robots vs any other type of surgery, and increasing latency increases the risk of accidentally harming the patient. I'm sure 5G doesn't necessarily have big spikes in ping which could be disastrous, but it's riskier than the traditional cable directly connecting the surgeon to the robot in the same room

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 months ago

Yeah, I think that's how it's going to work in the future. The best part is that everyone will have access to good surgeons without having to live in big cities.

[-] SSJMarx@lemm.ee 10 points 2 months ago

in socialist countries, yes.

[-] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago

Uber-Surgery. They'll automate as much as possible and then an underpaid remote surgeon will step in for any difficulties. Thousands will die on the table.

[-] SSJMarx@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago

in capitalist countries, yes.

[-] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago
[-] GlueBear@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Ah fuck you have a point. They'll just hire foreign doctors to do the surgeries for higher pay than they would make in their own countries but lower than what you would have to pay an American doctor.

US doctors about to get boned when they don't have a union.

[-] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago

It's the neoliberal formula; Automate as much as you can, gig-afy what requires a human touch. And yeah, as you say, even better if they can offshore the human touch.

[-] john_browns_beard@hexbear.net 21 points 2 months ago

But at what cost?

[-] HexBeara@hexbear.net 21 points 2 months ago

Seeing comments below about the now forgotten claims of uyghuir (idek anymore) genocide, making me think about how liberals have abandoned that position now with gaza being blown to smithereens and the Palestinian people being displaced, if not systematically murdered. Really makes you thonk thonk

Anyways from the headline and China's numerous other w's, seems good, and make me more hopeful for a better world still

[-] refolde@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago

Oh believe me there are definitely those out there still trying to perpetuate the Uyghur genocide myth while Isn'treal's very clear and undeniable crimes against the Palestinians is ongoing.

[-] HexBeara@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago

So then I suppose we give them Havana syndrome while they hold two opposing thoughts by calling them on the bullshit, it won't fundamentally do anything, but it will be funny watching them short circuit for a bit, especially when they get mad at you for wishing Mr 4chan was a better shot

[-] SSJMarx@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

uyghuir (idek anymore)

via Wikipedia

The Uyghurs, alternatively spelled Uighurs, Uygurs or Uigurs

so either a y or i is acceptable, and the h is optional, but there's no i at the end of the word.

[-] GlueBear@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago

Stop posting China Ws im getting jealous

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago
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