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[–] bloubz@lemmygrad.ml 53 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Two women were talking about this boxer at a pizzeria, on the table next to mine. One was explaining to the second how she was a transgender woman and under HRT, so this was the cause of the debate. I had to step in and tell them she was completely cis and that he father didn't want her to pick up box because it was not a girly enough sport

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 35 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Wtf. Days later and people haven't changed their facts yet??

[–] mathemachristian@hexbear.net 41 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The people that spread this shit probably just quietly moved on instead of posting a correction and apology. The people that read their shit then never saw the truth.

[–] TechnoUnionTypeBeat@hexbear.net 20 points 3 months ago

A lie can make it halfway across the world before the truth has had time to lace up its shoes, to paraphrase an old adage

There could be a complete genetic breakdown of Khelif posted tomorrow to every news outlet that proves, conclusively, she is a cis woman, and it wouldn't matter. The lie that started everything is more interesting and has more staying power

People who aren't invested in it but who hear it casually in "reputable news sources" aren't going to inform themselves on any corrections, the damage is already done

[–] N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The key to talking about things you don’t know about is to be loud, aggressive, and ridiculously confident in your beliefs. Project competency though you have none.

[–] HiImThomasPynchon@hexbear.net 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

One time in English class we had a series of debates as one of our assignments. I completely winged it and got a B+ just for sounding authoritative.

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 15 points 3 months ago

I carry an old timey leather doctor's bag full of rusty pliers and laudanum bottles so if I ever get into a debate I can lift the bag and say "as a doctor-" before spouting off.

[–] vk6flab@lemmy.radio 30 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

What about learning these phrases instead:

  • I believe
  • I seem to recall
  • As I understand it
  • It seems to me that
  • In my experience

In other words, make it clear to the reader what your level of skill or knowledge is.

Whilst chewing on that, consider adding a source if you have one (or six).

Source: I've been here a while and it's stood me in good stead during online (and offline) conversation over the decades.

[–] ComradePlatypus@hexbear.net 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Me: My understanding is [nuanced take on subject I do know about] but that's just what I read in [multiple good sources]

[–] MarxMadness@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If you're actually informed, couching your opinion like this dulls its impact for no good reason. It's good to speak/write confidently when you have cause to be confident.

Hedging is great for situations where you aren't confident, but should otherwise be used sparingly.

[–] ComradePlatypus@hexbear.net 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Thanks, it’s my understanding, that it’s quite likely that I’ll probably keep posting this way due to the whole bundle of neuroses, anxiety and imposter syndrome that makes up my psyche. But that’s just what I’ve heard.

[–] MarxMadness@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 months ago
[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 13 points 3 months ago

I fully support this, and I do this too. It saves me from looking like a dickhead. Honestly I won't drop one of the "I believe" modifiers until after 10+ hours (usually 30+ hours) of not social media reading on a topic.

[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 27 points 3 months ago (1 children)

chairman "No investigation, no right to speak."

[–] Ocommie63@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 months ago
[–] CyberSyndicalist@hexbear.net 22 points 3 months ago
Even fools are thought wise if they keep silent,
 and discerning if they hold their tongues.
[–] The_Jewish_Cuban@hexbear.net 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Skyrim is a beautiful game with no flaws heh

[–] P4ulin_Kbana 4 points 3 months ago

Skyrim is a game.

[–] EABOD25@lemm.ee 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

But then how am I supposed to get angry and ridicule random people on the internet?

[–] Dirt_Possum@hexbear.net 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Oh there's plenty of room for someone who is informed to get angry and rightly ridicule people who deserve it.

[–] What_Religion_R_They@hexbear.net 13 points 3 months ago (2 children)

been real quiet since this meme dropped

please make up a group. I couldn't decide on a funny one

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

People's whose adult children don't talk to them

[–] Runcible@hexbear.net 9 points 3 months ago

people who have literally never been quiet?

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

is the only group that fits tho fr.

Point being nobody thinks they're the meme

[–] GlueBear@hexbear.net 10 points 3 months ago

And I'm happy she won

[–] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Well, actually the opinion on the topic you are not informed about displays your values and having it might be beneficial to you.

The problem is not in the people, the problem is in the propaganda

[–] glingorfel@hexbear.net 25 points 3 months ago (1 children)

no investigation no right to speak

[–] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Oh I assure you the people who you want to shut down "did their own research" and were even encouraged to do so

[–] MarxMadness@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 3 months ago

It's good to shut down ignorant discussion, yes.

Obviously there's a difference between "doing your own research" via madeupshit.wiki and actually educating oneself.

[–] humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

An example would be a parent who doesn't want any gender-related issue to be discussed in the school.

Are they inherently flawed and inherently hateful individuals? Probably not

Do they think that the schools indoctrinate children and they do care about them? Probably that's the case.

[–] Dirt_Possum@hexbear.net 23 points 3 months ago

the opinion on the topic you are not informed about displays your values and having it might be beneficial to you.

And it might be detrimental to you just as easily. There's no way to know which without being informed, but an ignorant opinion based on "values" (aka vibes and what you want to be true rather than what is true) is more likely to hurt you or others in the long run. Just as being a racist bigot who has a wrong opinion about people of color might find that holding their racist opinion is immediately beneficial to themselves if they're in a similarly bigoted community, being a bigot is ultimately harmful for reasons I would hope wouldn't need to be explained.

An example would be a parent who doesn't want any gender-related issue to be discussed in the school.

Yet their uninformed opinion is harmful. Gender issues are inevitably part of our world and learning about them will not only prepare children to have an understanding of them that their ignorant parent lacks and help make the world safer and more livable for everyone as a result, but if that child themselves turns out to be gender stereotype non-conforming, then learning about those issues will help them better understand themselves and potentially save them from much of the misery inflicted on them by an ignorant populous.

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 12 points 3 months ago

An example would be a parent who doesn't want any gender-related issue to be discussed in the school.

Are they inherently flawed and inherently hateful individuals?

Yes, for the reason Dirt_Possum stayed below. They have a responsibility to properly educate themselves on issues that effect their children or decisions they may make that impact other people's children.

Not wanting to explore issues like gender or race is part of why certain forms of bigotry have proven so persistent.