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submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by Gay_Tomato@hexbear.net to c/the_dunk_tank@hexbear.net

Previous Hexbear post on this issue by @ButtBidet@hexbear.net

https://hexbear.net/post/3259169

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[-] NaevaTheRat@vegantheoryclub.org 71 points 2 months ago

I'm not sorry for causing this.

Also holy fuck if someone says "obligate carnivore" to me one more fucking time I am going to reach through the screen and suffocate them by stuffing a head of cauliflower down their throats.

Anyway, one reading of this TOS update bans discussions of meat eating as it advocates immanent harm and is an unhealthy diet.

[-] WittyProfileName2@hexbear.net 45 points 2 months ago

I doubt any of the people yelling obligate carnivore like it's an incantation to banish vegans actually know what it means.

[-] NaevaTheRat@vegantheoryclub.org 35 points 2 months ago

You should have more faith in yourself. I am certain they don't

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[-] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

~~The wrong person is apologising here. You did nothing wrong.~~ (lol I misread what you wrote)

Also I have zero interest in non-vegan's opinions on vegan matters. If someone knowingly and calmly get involved in the industrial murder and exploitation of animals, everything they say about the issue is just concern trolling. It's like the millions of carnist Westerners who hold strong opinions on PETA.

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 70 points 2 months ago

I'm not going to weigh in on pets particularly because I don't know enough, I'm also not vegan. I do however want to remark that you can sense the meat eating guilt and reactionary emotional defensiveness in a lot of this stuff. People feel very attacked and very defensive.

There is an underlying feeling deep down that it is wrong but because they personally enjoy it and get happy hormones when eating the topic triggers a massive emotional response.

Speculation: Eating food is probably one of the only times some people truly genuinely feel happy and is responsible for the massive defensive reaction when anyone suggests food habits should be changed. I suspect that the non-vegans that do not react poorly to the topic have much stronger sources of happiness that aren't food.

[-] Chronicon@hexbear.net 21 points 2 months ago

Eating food is probably one of the only times some people truly genuinely feel happy

ha ha side-eye-2

[-] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago

I'm not going to weigh in on pets particularly because I don't know enough, I'm also not vegan.

I wish more people did this about things

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

In hindsight it sort of sounds like I think you need to be vegan to weigh in on that. Those should be two separate things. I just wanted to mention that I'm not for the sake of the post itself. The pet part is just genuinely because I've looked at literally no research. I avoid forming opinions on shit I know nothing about.

[-] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago

Ya I think it's cool people can just go "ya I don't have the knowledge to weigh in on this subject". I unironically wish people did this more.

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[-] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 55 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

imagine wasting your time and fragile ego on this fucking nonsense lmao

world.mins writing a 20 paragraph legaleese document ensuring no vegan will ever touch them in there safe space ever again.

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[-] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 55 points 2 months ago
[-] Antiwork@hexbear.net 47 points 2 months ago
[-] PointAndClique@hexbear.net 27 points 2 months ago
[-] HelltakerHomosexual@hexbear.net 27 points 2 months ago

both

both

both is good

[-] AhismaMiasma@lemm.ee 41 points 2 months ago

Rooki is the same admin forcing the MBFC bot on every news post.

They refuse to listen to the community. Their way or the highway.

[-] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 20 points 2 months ago

Who needs fed when you got admins like this? Probably still a fedposting

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[-] Gay_Tomato@hexbear.net 37 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Oh man this ones got some flavour to sink ones teeth into 😅

I take the side of the admin. If someone can’t accept or understand that a cat eats a meat based diet then they deserve to have reality thrown in their face. Better than some poor animals being tortured.

Im tempted to make a world account just to ram my face into this thread in particular. Just no thoughts in this persons head other thanberdly-smug. Information justs slides right off like a tab of butter on a slide during a hot summer afternoon.

[-] Gay_Tomato@hexbear.net 36 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I believe this study. It’s true that vegans say their vegan cats are healthier than other cats.

no-mouth-must-scream

[-] Inui@hexbear.net 36 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Vegan cats being the thing that tears .world apart is really funny because I've seen it irl and wouldn't be surprised if ya'll already had that struggle session here.

Not trying to start that debate here if not, but among most vegan groups I've been part of, many people had cats for years before adopting a vegan lifestyle in every other way, so it becomes a "don't ask, don't tell" situation. Otherwise, you get into endless arguments about how the cat havers aren't really vegan. But the non-cat havers offer no real individual solutions and just tip toe around the idea that the cat haver should kill them to balance out the moral calculus, or give them to someone else to wash their hands of the issue while not materially affecting anything.

If you ever want to destroy a vegan community, ask if you should feed your cat a vegan diet or more generally about taking care of meat-eating animals at all.

Doubly funny, in an absurd way, is that .world will so fiercely advocate for their kitties, but ignore the deaths of humans that their favorite politicians are causing.

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[-] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 25 points 2 months ago

plus it was done by a pro vegan group

It was done by a uni. Fuck off, shit.just.works poster.

Guy (not OP, I mean the one from .world), fucking read the lit review. The unhealthiness of vegan cat food is based on vibes, not published evidence. There's also a lot of back research that vegan cat food is fine, it's not just this one study. Again, READ THE FUCKING STUDUY.

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[-] Gay_Tomato@hexbear.net 34 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The biggest issue with Reddit and Facebook was that they let stuff like this stick around it and eventually consume it.

It’s a good policy imho, and I’m happy to see it

Science should prevail

agony-wholesome

[-] Gay_Tomato@hexbear.net 36 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Because the priority for them is engagement, regardless of how harmful the content could be to people. Engagement doesn’t mean shit here because nobody’s profiting off of it.

Am I really hearing this shit from a .world user? agony-shivering

[-] Gay_Tomato@hexbear.net 31 points 2 months ago

@Rose 3•

As noted in my post on the “moderation incident”, by adding more subjectivity to the rules, you are opening the door to even more instance moderator misconduct. There is already evidence of how that would go.

Rooki felt it right to intervene in the !vegan cat food thread (and got a pat on the back with the new rules made to justify their actions), then not only took no issue with comments like “Meat is not something diabetics need to worry about.” but also fueled the fire in the same thread by saying “To be honest linking something like meat to death of people is like saying everybody that breathed air died.”

So much for taking action against harmful dietary advice.

[-] Gay_Tomato@hexbear.net 22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That post is wild just carnist after carnist whining

Bewildered Carnist"What the fuck is “vegan cat food”? I sometimes can’t understand people."

"Ok. I get it. As people, we are bad. We mass husbandry just for food, modifying them with artificial selection for productivity. So I can understand veganism (although I am not vegan)."

"But have we really reached the point where we stop animals from eating meat? Either I’m a bigoted idiot or people are out of their minds." speech-r qconfusion

Brave Poster"For me, the purpose of the post is exactly what it asks for. I don’t think I’ve ever posted to !vegan except for today, to cross-post the OP, but my own fate as an active lemmy.world user likely rests on the outcome of this request. I run a tiny community that has no relation to animal rights or ethics but I feel it is absolutely threatened when there are moderators like Rooki that act based on their views rather than the rules."

madeline-deadpan

Smug Carnist"That vegan community has a rule against misinformation. The idea that a cat is perfectly healthy on a vegan diet is misinformation. You feel threatened by mods like Rooki who act based on rules rather than your views. You’d rather mistreat animals than admit that anything any vegan has ever said ever might be wrong, and not allow anyone to point out that your wrong." speech-rdebate-me-debate-me
::: spoiler Concern troll Carnist People are out of their minds. It’s a cult. Thankfully, mostly constrained to the west. speech-rtate-fear

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[-] blame@hexbear.net 27 points 2 months ago
[-] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 22 points 2 months ago

Being allergic to cats has saved me from so many arguments, both online and off.

[-] a_little_red_rat@hexbear.net 21 points 2 months ago

Ma, I'm famous

Hope lemmy.wehrmacht follows their leader. Also hope you repost this comment too, fascist losers

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the leftism leaving people's bodies when veganism is mentioned

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