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submitted 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) by DOPESMOKERDENG@hexbear.net to c/traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns@hexbear.net

Hi comrades, want to give you all an informal update on the discussions around the site's misogyny problems that've been happening over the last several days. I wanna make sure you know that the admin/mod team has seen all of that discourse and we've been actively discussing solutions in the matrix mod chat. We're taking this shit very seriously and acknowledge that we haven't used a heavy enough hand on misogynistic rhetoric. As some of you saw we nuked that cheating thread from a couple weeks ago and handed out temp bans to the most egregious offenders. Idk how that was allowed to run it's course but we apologize for that oversight. We're going to do better.

We've come up with some ideas for how to improve this part of the site culture and we want to get suggestions from y'all as well, since the alarm was sounded on this by our beautiful c/traa posters to begin with. Our ideas so far include:

  1. A zero-tolerance policy towards any even remotely misogynistic/patriarchal posts or comments, as too much has slipped through the cracks on that, establishing a clear protocol for bans for violating rules against misogyny, and ideally tracking repeat offenders in a way that makes deciding a course of action easy when they reoffend.

  2. Uphold TC69 thought by starting up a book club (and hopefully more to follow) on feminist theory and encouraging mass participation, particularly from the he/him's on the site. "The Will to Change" by bell hooks has been suggested by multiple people as a great starting point but please feel free to suggest any other works.

  3. Relaunching /c/menby with a trusted educated mod team and a specific focus on countering mainstream narratives about masculinity, relationships and sex that breed reactionary, patriarchal attitudes

  4. Encouraging [namely femme] participation in /c/womenby and taking steps to revitalize that sub as an excellent source of discussion on feminism and intersectionality

  5. Holding another mod drive to get more folks into mod positions in our communities who can help weed out reactionary attitudes

  6. Encouraging users to use the report button often on any post that seems even remotely sus, with the promise that no one's going to be punished for "report abuse" for reporting posts in obvious good faith

Please let me know your thoughts on the above or any other ideas you have for making the site better, safer and more inclusive for our femme comrades. Once we've fully hammered out plans and updated policy we plan to make an announcement post highlighting these changes for the whole userbase. Thank you all for being here and being who you are feminism trans-heart

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[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 57 points 5 days ago

Thanks for trying to do better, Hexbear.

[-] HelltakerHomosexual@hexbear.net 41 points 5 days ago

Criticism and Self Criticism! mao-wave

[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 64 points 5 days ago

Wow redfash tankie mods won't even let boys be boys soviet-huff

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[-] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 47 points 5 days ago

Great responsive action! This is why I'd choose the bear. sicko-hexbear

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[-] EpicKebabEater@hexbear.net 23 points 5 days ago

Admins continuing to outdo my expectations. Thank you for such a quick response to people's concerns.

[-] poopedmypants@hexbear.net 41 points 5 days ago

While we're at it, can we also ban loss: the longest running miscarriage meme?

[-] anaesidemus@hexbear.net 33 points 5 days ago

yes, hadn't thought about it that way but it's been thoroughly taken out of context as a meme. The "funny" is the clash of the subject matter and the webcomic format.

We then forget the actual people who go through this experience, i'm not sure if a CW would be enough if we would continue using the meme

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[-] Seasonal_Peace@hexbear.net 31 points 5 days ago

Yeah please, it was never funny, and it triggers trauma for me.

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[-] AmericaDelendaEst@hexbear.net 48 points 5 days ago

wow im glad i have no idea wtf happened

[-] D61@hexbear.net 27 points 5 days ago

rat-salute TC69 thought rat-salute-2

Wow. I saw that thread and was like what the fuck! I couldn’t believe people were agreeing with op I didn’t bother to participate and have been busy. Glad this is moving towards something more productive.

[-] Ivysaur@hexbear.net 28 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

This is good! I have some thoughts about the wo/menby split which have also been brought up by other nonbinary people in this thread, so I will leave them to speak on that. I only hope we can eventually address other blind spots with similar urgency in what I consider to be one of the only tolerable forums left on the English-speaking net; covid minimization outside of the comm for it is one that particularly infuriates me, overall ableism that is not to do with neurodivergence is another -- but this is one necessary step of many, and I'm happy to see it.

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[-] dinklesplein@hexbear.net 23 points 5 days ago

mario-thumbs-up based on the timing of this i feel like the gender demos survey had a hand in these measures being implemented too, right?

[-] NoLeftLeftWhereILive@hexbear.net 21 points 5 days ago

Great ideas. I love how this is being addressed.

I might have some bookclub ideas and could suggest some reading also on the whole body politic area and feminist reading on that. Been focusing on some of this stuff in my studies, especially on things like gender, body & biomedicine.

[-] RagingGingivitis@hexbear.net 46 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

full support on pushing back against misogyny, that thread was a dumpster fire and made me logout for like a week.

dumpster-fire

[-] bloodfart@lemmy.ml 20 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I have a stupid but serious question which comes from not being aware of the background and having a weak understanding of misogyny in general:

Are ligma jokes misogynistic?

E: cheating thread is pretty screwed up.

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[-] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 32 points 5 days ago

very cool and based cat-trans

[-] sneak100@hexbear.net 48 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

This is really appreciated; thanks to the mods, and also to all the people having struggle sessions and putting in real life force (energy, time, wellbeing, etc.) into educating their comrades, I see you, appreciate you and commend your effort o7

One thing does stand out to me as potentially worrying, but I do want to hear what others think as well.

I guess I assumed that /c/womenby does already include all enbies and not just "femme enbies", so then does the creation of /c/menby require an exodus of "masc enbies" to a different comm? Why are we doing gender segregation for enbies?

Now as far as enbies go I'm pretty femme I suppose, so I kinda don't think this will be such a big problem for me since I can also identify with the label of "woman" easily enough, but what about our they/thems and agender comrades? "Engage in whichever community you like or both" is one way to go about it I suppose, but I can't help but feel like we're replicating the gender binary here in a way that will make some feel excluded from both comms.

I'm all for having a more active place to unpack gender shit, I think that is sorely needed for our cis he/him comrades, but I guess my instinct would be to go to something like /c/men or /c/mascs (these are not prescriptive :P) and leave the enbies alone? What do others think?

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[-] asante@hexbear.net 57 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

woah those are great changes!

very based mod team heart-sickle feminism

  1. Encouraging users to use the report button often on any post that seems even remotely sus, with the promise that no one's going to be punished for "report abuse" for reporting posts in obvious good faith

ayy now i have no report button anxiety

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[-] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 21 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

What did I miss? I didn't see the cheating thread so I'm ootl on what happened

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