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On top of all that America also just actively persecutes queer people. People will say "oh that's just the republicans" as if that isn't half the country and it's not just the republicans, but a large group of democrats. Then they'll say "oh, but we're not as bad as [enemy of the week]" which funnily enough is actually a whatabouterismerino, but also not really a valid argument if you're saying it's okay to bomb a country if they're mean to queer people. So it's okay to be kinda mean to queer people?

On top of that there's also the fact that some of the US' closest allies are countries like Saudi Arabia, not to mention the many far right anti-lgbtq dictators the state has installed over the years.

On top of that the US has only recently gotten "good" on queer rights. Homosexuality wasn't decriminalised in the whole of the US until 2003 (and we're not talking some weird little forgotten law, it wasn't until a supreme court decision forced several states to finally stop being bigoted.)
At the same time the GDR had decriminalised homosexuality by 1957 and with constitutional reform fully legal by 1968 GDR-emblem
The GDR did this despite inheriting the nazis legal code (according to a wikipedia source which I will not fact check.)
Would it have been acceptable, nay morally right, for the GDR to bomb the US?

honecker-interesting definitely, but not just because of da gays

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[-] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 3 days ago

Liberals be like peaceful protest is the only way to make progress unless of course the country is run by brown people in which case you should bomb it until none of them are left breathing and send white people to live in their homes once theyre gone.

[-] REgon@hexbear.net 19 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

๐Ÿ‘ Kill ๐Ÿ‘ Bigots ๐Ÿ‘ But ๐Ÿ‘ Not ๐Ÿ‘ Here ๐Ÿ‘

๐Ÿ‘ Here ๐Ÿ‘ We ๐Ÿ‘ Debate ๐Ÿ‘ Them ๐Ÿ‘ In ๐Ÿ‘ The ๐Ÿ‘ Marketplace ๐Ÿ‘ Of ๐Ÿ‘ Ideas ๐Ÿ‘ And ๐Ÿ‘ Then ๐Ÿ‘ Work ๐Ÿ‘ With ๐Ÿ‘ Them ๐Ÿ‘ And ๐Ÿ‘ We ๐Ÿ‘ Are ๐Ÿ‘ Also ๐Ÿ‘ Bigots ๐Ÿ‘ Ourselves ๐Ÿ‘ So ๐Ÿ‘ Bigots ๐Ÿ‘ Vote ๐Ÿ‘ For ๐Ÿ‘ Us ๐Ÿ‘

[-] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 25 points 3 days ago

It's funny how literally every single org, pundit, party and news outlet that tells me how much Palestinians supposedly hate me is also hell-bent on making my life as a trans person as hard as they possibly can, and by funny i mean i want to send in the mfing tanks.

[-] REgon@hexbear.net 22 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Really is funny when chuds pull out that card
"Palestinians hate queer people!"
trans-uno
"You're right, we should arm all trans people and let them kill homophobes on sight"
wojak-nooo That's not at all the same you're doing a false equivalencarinoooo

Elect me as your president and I will ensure all trans people are allowed to kill one bigot a day, two if they have a tummy ache

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 28 points 3 days ago

Israel blackmails queer Palestinians into becoming collaborators by threatening to out them to their families and community.

[-] REgon@hexbear.net 24 points 3 days ago

They also kill them with bombs along with all the other palestinians

[-] TomBombadil@hexbear.net 21 points 3 days ago

They also shoot them after watching them fuck via the scope of a sniper rifle.

Real pro LGBTQ guys over there

[-] REgon@hexbear.net 15 points 3 days ago
[-] TomBombadil@hexbear.net 17 points 3 days ago

I imagine myself in that scene and it's just incredibly harrowing. You've stolen a few moments for yourself. A bit of intimacy and human love... And then...

doomer

[-] REgon@hexbear.net 13 points 3 days ago
[-] Sinister@hexbear.net 14 points 3 days ago

They also blow them up, starve them, shoot them, steal their lands and genocide them. Or do they stop each one and ask them to come out?

[-] regul@hexbear.net 27 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

There was a news story out around ten years ago about how cops in Baton Rouge, Louisiana were still arresting gay people under sodomy laws even though they knew those laws had been made unconstitutional and legally unenforceable.

[-] REgon@hexbear.net 17 points 3 days ago

We should nuke Louisiana I guess

[-] propter_hog@hexbear.net 11 points 3 days ago

I'm down to clown

[-] GnastyGnuts@hexbear.net 18 points 3 days ago

Maybe I'm overemphasizing the issue, but I think developing a rhetorical solution to pink imperialism is one of the most important immaterial (as in "not industrial sabotage or something cool or actually useful") goals for anti-imperialists currently.

I don't fully know what makes the "x-ethnic group hates gays so let's purge them from the land" so compelling. For me it just triggers an error log.

  • generalizing an entire population to be homophobic is straightforwardly bigoted in itself

  • If you bomb any large enough quantity of civilians, you are bound to kill many gay people in your allegedly pro-gay crusade

  • to my knowledge, there are no types of bombs that specifically spare the lives of gay people or their sympathizers, or any that specifically target homophobes

  • even gay people who survive direct bombings will suffer as everyone else does from destroyed infrastructure that they depended on

  • to the extent that things were already horrible for gay people in Gaza prior to October 2023, they were mostly a product of Gaza in general being horrible to live in because they were trapped in a giant concentration camp under israel's thumb

  • israel itself is not even pro-gay enough to have legalized gay marriage, so it's silly to talk them up like they're crusading for gay rights when they can't even be bothered with basic shit like that domestically

  • most of these dickheads invoking this talking point are straight and cisgendered, and would be fine watching every LGBT person in america being shoveled into a fucking furnace if they thought it was necessary to preserve their comfort (based on their reactions to the Dems showing complete disregard for Palestinians being brutalized and genocided, the concerns of arab and Muslim americans on Palestine, moving rightward on immigration, etc.)

[-] REgon@hexbear.net 4 points 2 days ago

For me I've had some succes with responding with "So you think it's okay to kill them because they're bigots?"

Sometimes they do a bit of handwringing, sometimes they don't, but they end up arriving at the point that yes they think it's fine that they die because they're bigots, we need to make them more accepting of LGBTQ people.

trans-uno

"Alright then, we should kill all the bigots in this country. Let's go murder all republicans. Let's arm trans people. The death penalty is legal, so let's just make it carte blanche."

Then they'll get mad and talk about false equivalencies, but you've basically got them at this point.

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[-] Barx@hexbear.net 6 points 2 days ago

What is wrong with these gay rights policy map makers. The timeline is a natural continuous variable, you bastards. Just make it one color and vary from dark to light.

[-] FunkYankkkees@hexbear.net 20 points 3 days ago

Would it have been acceptable, nay morally right, for the GDR to bomb the US?

It would be morally right for 90% of the world to bomb the USA, turnabout is fair play

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 20 points 3 days ago

"Nato queers" and other kinds of imperial bootlickers are not people I respect.

[-] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 3 days ago

I think the term is "homo national"

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 14 points 3 days ago

Thank you, I should know this! Slipped my mind. I should watch Pride Denied again...

[-] Tomboymoder@hexbear.net 21 points 3 days ago

I mean blue state liberals would be fine with bombing texans I feel, just look at how they respond to natural disasters.

[-] REgon@hexbear.net 10 points 3 days ago

I'd like to think they'd miss Michigan though

[-] tripartitegraph@hexbear.net 18 points 3 days ago
[-] REgon@hexbear.net 12 points 3 days ago

I didn't want the bot I asked for to do friendly fire, like some sort of Frankenstein

[-] GoodGuyWithACat@hexbear.net 9 points 3 days ago

Bots can be annoying even when well intentioned. It's worse on /r/the deprogram, if you have a thread of Ukraine or China you have to scroll past a massive wall of text several times.

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[-] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 18 points 3 days ago

The GDR did this despite inheriting the nazis legal code

GDR actually used Weimar Republic legal code, because it refused to recognize legitimacy of Nazi Germany.

[-] REgon@hexbear.net 18 points 3 days ago

Lmao of course, never trust a word natopedia says

[-] Sinister@hexbear.net 13 points 3 days ago

They love doing it. In west germany the propaganda still is that the east was uniquely still polluted by nazism and that nazism continued under the name of communism.

While in the west, they were taught democracy by the United States.

[-] REgon@hexbear.net 13 points 3 days ago

There were more Nazis in government in the west after the war, the fucking audacity lmao

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[-] Llituro@hexbear.net 18 points 3 days ago

Goddamn, Illinois coming in with a rare victory in a policy race

[-] REgon@hexbear.net 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

And it's not even close. Though knowing the US, I'm sure it's for some fucked up reason

[-] anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 3 days ago

Illinois became the first state in the U.S. to get rid of its sodomy law. It did so in 1961, when it adopted an overall revision of its criminal laws. The revision closely followed the 1955 recommendations of the American Law Institute, a group of distinguished lawyers and law professors. Idaho passed a similar revision, but when the legislature discovered it had repealed the sodomy law, it repealed the entire reform package instead.

They did it on the advice of experts. Experts who liked blowjobs and wanted to try and talk their wives into some backdoor shenanigans, possibly. Probably.

[-] REgon@hexbear.net 14 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Honestly rad. The GDR should have bombed all states but Illinois

[-] RION@hexbear.net 9 points 3 days ago

The great Chicagoan horde will roam these Wasted States unchecked โœŠ๐Ÿ˜ค

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[-] indred0@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 3 days ago

So, if I'm reading this right, Idaho repealed sodomy laws at the same time, then repealed the repeal, making it illegal again?

[-] RaisedFistJoker@hexbear.net 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

americans are racist towards almost every country so its ok to bomb them i guess

[-] Azarova@hexbear.net 12 points 3 days ago

If it weren't for that SC decision, I'm 10,000% convinced it still be illegal to be queer in half the country

[-] REgon@hexbear.net 11 points 3 days ago

Without a doubt

[-] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 5 points 3 days ago

Make no mistake, the SC will overturn gay marriage if they think they can. They will outlaw trans people's entire existence, too. The only thing preventing these from happening are lower courts not kicking things up to the SC.

They'd do the same with slavery and Jim Crow if they weren't terrified of open rebellion led by a black vanguard.

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[-] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 7 points 2 days ago

Leftwing and progressive ideas are co-opted by liberals as the new version of the White Man's Burden. I think I first saw someone make that observation here on Hexbear and it's the perfect description. In the 1890s the US justified its behavior in Asia and Central and South America by "taking up the White Man's Burden" to "spread democracy and culture to the savages." It was the same attitude of "kill the Indian and you save the Christian."

Since 9/11 (and before...well, most of the States' existence), Americans have regurgitated this shit into a new form where they call Arabs "homophobic and sexist," while the US does the same bullshit at home. Is there really a difference between some chud shooting up a gay bar while police watch and police arresting a couple before executing them for being gay? What about the hundreds (or thousands, I haven't checked lately) of untested sexual assault kits needed to prosecute predators? Sexual assault in the US is legal by de facto because there's so much fuckery in the way of getting survivors justice.

[-] Sinister@hexbear.net 4 points 2 days ago

No you see those backwards muslim countries have an intolerant culture unlike the west which legalized gay marriage in 2010s so was always inherently tolerant and progressive! Progressive sure defeat themselves by allowing migration from such places (real argument).

[-] ComradeMonotreme@hexbear.net 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Your pedantic legalist lib will point out that just because the laws were on the book in those states, you have to look at the case law about when the last time someone was prosecuted and whether a conviction would be actually upheld. WITHOUT APPLYING THAT SAME LENSE TO OTHER "BAD" COUNTRIES.

When you compare Iran versus Saudi Arabia, both have a lot of crimes punishable by death, but Iran does it sparingly (still not good) and Saudi Arabia goes wild executing hundreds every year.

[-] REgon@hexbear.net 4 points 2 days ago

Your pedantic legalist lib will point out that just because the laws were on the book in those states, you have to look at the case law about when the last time someone was prosecuted and whether a conviction would be actually upheld. WITHOUT APPLYING THAT SAME LENSE TO OTHER "BAD" COUNTRIES.

And that same lib will use the fact that the laws were overturned in 2003 as an argument against the continued persecution of LGBTQ peope. Bring up cases like the Baton Rouge cops continuing to arrest people for sodomy laws and the libs will talk about bad apples or something

[-] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

What do you mean Texas, it's the entire American south sans Georgia, Tennessee, and Kentucky lol

[-] REgon@hexbear.net 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I just felt like Texas made the title more punchy, don't know why. What do you think? Alternatively I could have just written "most of the US"

[-] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Oh, it was less a serious criticism and more a very disappointing revelation I had as I looked at the map lmao

ed: also, what is going on with Missouri

ed ed: Apparently, only the part of Missouri governed by a certain court of appeals decriminalized it in 1999, the rest of the state did not until 2003. Very serious country and legal system

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[-] RoabeArt@hexbear.net 10 points 3 days ago

Ohio repealed Sodomy laws and decriminalized same-sex relations 30 years before a very large part of the rest of the country did. It's sad how the chuds took over since then.

[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 10 points 3 days ago

Huh TIL Illinois was the first state to decriminalize being gay. That's pretty cool

[-] mayhair@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 3 days ago
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