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[–] MayoPete@hexbear.net 48 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Abortion should be legal and free and there should be clinics on every federal plot of land where it makes sense to have one.

Why didn't Obama and his majority congress fail to Codify Roe? Do you know what excuse they used that time?

[–] tryptamine@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I agree wholeheartedly, I am in full support of full autonomy no matter what.

You’ll have to ask Obama why he didn’t. I can’t control political asshats, just like political asshats shouldn’t be controlling abortion rights.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 43 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

just like political asshats shouldn’t be controlling abortion rights.

You're the jackass talking about "the universe experiencing itself" and then act like rights are not a political construct. God or Nature or whoever else you think rights come from isn't going to magically project those rights into existence.

[–] tryptamine@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Did you have a point? I understand the societal construct.

I also understand that sometimes you have to play the game long enough to understand how to dismantle it.

Not because figuring out the game is hard, but because you have to get enough people to on your side to make sure you succeed.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 29 points 2 weeks ago

You say "you have to", but what actual reason to believe this do you have besides that some other condescending prick told you so? When I look at historical liberation movements (and I can't say I know all of them, granted), they never got by on entryism and, at their most normative, still conformed to Marx's advice of establishing an independent political party, though often they were much more underground than that, often branded terrorists, etc. They certainly didn't fucking campaign for their own opposition like you're supposedly doing now (though in reality I don't think you really are in opposition to Harris) and generating more of a popular mandate for the establishment.

[–] REgon@hexbear.net 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Did you have a point? I understand the societal construct.

I've said this a few times to you already, but Saying Things Doesn't Make Them True. You pretty obviously don't understand it.

I also understand that sometimes you have to play the game long enough to understand how to dismantle it.

You've tried this for more than 50 years. It does not work.
You claim to understand this, but then do not understand why people might vote for a third party candidate, when that candidate cannot win this election.
You are just barely sapient, and that's being generous.

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 38 points 2 weeks ago

I can’t control political asshats,

So stop voting for any of the ones that are doing this shit. The only power you have outside revolutionary organizing is your vote so don't throw it away giving legitimacy to people literally doing another genocide.

[–] MayoPete@hexbear.net 35 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So just to be clear, neither party is going to protect you. The Democrats didn't protect you when they had the chance, Biden doesn't use his executive powers now, and that won't change with Kamala in office.

And why would it? The party gets to collect way more money and keep leading people on as long as they vote. And if they just conveniently forget to do anything they keep their new Republican done buddies too!

Instead of hoping, join an org and help us build a movement that will actually protect women. Not just with words, but with deeds. DSA is a good starting point. PSL is also good. There's also Maoist orgs and Trot orgs and other groups but honestly don't worry too much about the nitty gritty theory right now. Just get involved somewhere and you can organize with people to protect abortion clinics, go with women and protect them from the right wing, get an "underground railroad" type program going to help women get abortions out of state, distribute morning-after pills, etc.

It will feel MUCH better to actually do something about it in your neighborhood than just vote and hope for the best.

[–] tryptamine@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I’ll look into those.

I agree that both sides are never going to actually do anything to make life for the “rest of us” better.

Im tired of the political show both sides do where they are “weekend at bernies”ing the constitution,

Unfortunately I remember all of the bad things Trump did while in office, and I’ve heard enough bullshit from him this time around that I feel like his desire to become a dictator is enough to speak up about preventing his ascension to power again.

[–] MayoPete@hexbear.net 29 points 2 weeks ago

I understand it's a scary situation. We can't let fear control us. When we organize and work together to solve these problems on the ground we will realize our collective power. And that's where true hope starts.

Best of luck on your journey.

[–] REgon@hexbear.net 16 points 2 weeks ago

Unfortunately I remember all of the bad things Trump did while in office, and I’ve heard enough bullshit from him this time around that I feel like his desire to become a dictator is enough to speak up about preventing his ascension to power again.

Wish you'd paid attention to all the bad things that happened after he left office

[–] Hexboare@hexbear.net 28 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

He said why he didn't - he said it wasn't a priority and wanted to find abortion policy elements that the Republicans would agree to.

[–] MayoPete@hexbear.net 30 points 2 weeks ago
[–] REgon@hexbear.net 28 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I agree wholeheartedly, I am in full support of full autonomy no matter what.

Words are cheap, but yours are fucking worthless. You are doing nothing to support it.

You’ll have to ask Obama why he didn’t. I can’t control political asshats.

You can withhold your vote you fucking moron. Oh well I'm sure giving your vote unconditionally will totally work this time!