It's insane to me that so many people seem to have a concept of legal loopholes informed entirely by like non-specific-pop-culture. As if it's magic incantations that get power to fuck off instead of like a purposefully built system.

Here's a hot take: all the sovereign citizens and equivalent in other nations are just the average persons general ideas about how the law works cranked to 11. Basically everyone believes in the magic incantation, they just overshot a bit.

[–] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 50 points 1 week ago (2 children)

100%. There's a pervasive sort of belief that laws are discrete, literal things carved into the very ontology of existence instead of fuzzy guidelines enforced or ignored at the arbitrary whims of the legal system which also has no actual obligation to know the laws and whose will is still considered legitimate even when it is directly breaking the law or making up imaginary ones that don't exist but some dipshit cop thinks they do. Like it's just straight up these civic cult brainworms that legislatures are doing some sort of magic ritual to create Law and this then becomes some sort of real and true binding principle to be unfailingly carried out by reliable enforcers.

Dial up that belief even further and it becomes like the civic cult's version of numerology and prophesy through analyzing the holy texts, where they believe so wholly in legal literalism that they start to think it's a magic system and they're wizards who can exploit its literalness and nature of being fundamental to reality to their own advantage.

[–] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago

additionally that they are the first ones to think of this novel "loophole" because they are so smart

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago

You just need to serve jury duty twice to know that what goes on in a courtroom really boils down to whatever the judge thinks should go on and any deviation from what should be going on is resolved by you "filing a complaint" and hoping someone cares about your complaint.

[–] Cysioland@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 week ago

I mean, some liberals do kinda act as if the world operates like that. The whole "rule of law" shit etm.