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[-] Tastysnack@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Oh boy okay so I asked this in another life and the history behind Taiwan is kinda fucking mad and does arguably justify it being a part of China imo because it was previously and only isn't now cos of nationalists.

I'm sure someone more well read than me can fill in the blanks but my understand is as follows:

  • China kick the British out
  • original guy dies and his two top guys are left
  • Mao (communist) and Chiang Kai-shek (nationalist)
  • they had a big barney over their ideological differences and the fash lost fleeing to Taiwan while Mao rebuilt the Chinese mainland.
  • while in Taiwan Chiang Kai-Shek genocides a fair few of the native Taiwanese people in a bloody regime to solidify his power and Taiwan as (in his mind) the real China despite native Taiwanese people considering themselves part of China already.
  • even now the inheritors of change kai sheks legacy still have nepotism babies and fascists in government but also a more left leaning Liberal lot who want to apologise for the crimes of the past and move forward (I think led by the lead singer of the Taiwanese melo death metal band Cthonic who is a sitting MP or something lmao)
  • so Taiwan is kinda torn between their nationalistic past and the new "Progressive" camp that want to just move on and stop the hostilities kinda I'm not sure, what I've seen is so inconsistent.

So yeah I dunno but that history informed the UN decision and only now that the west have realised they can really use this to benefit themselves have they started pushing the free Taiwan angle hard.

Take from that what you will as I learnt all this second hand.

[-] ilyenkov@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

One big thing to keep in mind though is that the DPP, the people who want to declare independence and claim that Taiwan isn't China, are all simps for Japanese colonialism.

[-] Tastysnack@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

are all simps for Japanese colonialism.

Lmao no wonder the west loves them then

[-] PreachHard@mander.xyz 22 points 1 year ago

Thank you so much that offers some great jump off points for some reading. I'm definitely too uniformed to have an opinion here lol.

[-] Tastysnack@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You're never too uninformed to ask questions though and that's what you are doing so that's good and based.

We all have to learn and I'm doing my best as well uwu

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I feel that way a lot being in a community with them lol. They are all extremely helpful and ready to explain and give links to info. It helps us all learn when people ask questions. fidel-salute to all the helpful comrades and all those asking good faith questions

[-] PreachHard@mander.xyz 13 points 1 year ago

Yeah this is really beautiful and enlightening, it's hard to deprogram yourself from this shit as you're spoon fed so much stuff from the get-go it's hard to reassess what's different forms of wester kompromat.

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

Absolutely. Its definitely a process unlearning western propoganda

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

I'm definitely too uniformed to have an opinion here.

That's such a fantastic attitude. I just want to commend you for being able to realise that.

[-] ProxyTheAwesome@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

Mostly correct but you got mixed up toward the end. The KMT, the old nationalist party, is actually the moderate and reasonable party now that wants a status quo to continue (One China policy but autonomy) and want to increase business relations with the mainland. The new Liberal party don’t want to just “move forward” they want to become a US military base and declare independence. They are western stooges and imperialists. The KMT is ironically the better option

[-] Tastysnack@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago
[-] ProxyTheAwesome@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The best option is of course a slow and peaceful economic and diplomatic merge over time, but for this to happen America has to seriously fuck off and be dealt with because they do everything in their power to prevent that. They will install suicidal fascists with nukes before they allow it. For that reason, China might have to make a sudden and aggressive move and I will support them when/if they do.

[-] Tastysnack@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

Yeah when you speak to libs and suggest a solution to a problem its always "oh really and how's that supposed to work in the real world?" smuglord and like 99% of the time it's literally just America stopping it. Every fucking time.

[-] PreachHard@mander.xyz 11 points 1 year ago

See: Venezuela, Iraq, Iran, Brazil, Cuba.. the list goes on

[-] Pseudoplatanus22@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

they had a big barney

That's one way of putting it, lmao

[-] Tastysnack@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

We keep it light here don't we comrades sadness-abysmal

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If you ever want to know more, I know @robinn2@hexbear.net has compiled several great resources on the subject. He generally seems to know quite a lot about China.

[-] Tastysnack@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

Thank you comrade will do sankara-salute

[-] ChapoKrautHaus@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

I think led by the lead singer of the Taiwanese melo death metal band Cthonic who is a sitting MP or something lmao

That asshole will be shot first, put him on top of the purge list!

I hate melodic death metal.

[-] Tastysnack@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago
[-] PreachHard@mander.xyz 7 points 1 year ago

System of a Down, Hed PE, Born of Osiris, Lamb of God are some picks from me

[-] Tastysnack@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

Hates melo death, posts metal core cringe

bait

[-] PreachHard@mander.xyz 5 points 1 year ago

Hey that's just me! Each to there own, I'm not a metal head if you didn't guess lol

[-] Tastysnack@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

👀 lmao its cool and lamb of god are sick, blood of the scribe is 🔥

[-] dditty@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Just to add on to this, I believe Taiwan wasnt really a part of China until it was conquered by the Qing dynasty in the late 17th century.

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