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[-] Krause@lemmygrad.ml 60 points 1 year ago
[-] PreachHard@mander.xyz 16 points 1 year ago

Maybe I'm missing something but how does this legitimise the claim that China has over Taiwan? Surely you could use the same line of reasoning with Israel right? Genuinely curious btw as I've only ever dipped my toe into the history of this stuff. I feel like I'd like to look at any data gathered about how people living in Taiwan feel about this.

[-] Tastysnack@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Oh boy okay so I asked this in another life and the history behind Taiwan is kinda fucking mad and does arguably justify it being a part of China imo because it was previously and only isn't now cos of nationalists.

I'm sure someone more well read than me can fill in the blanks but my understand is as follows:

  • China kick the British out
  • original guy dies and his two top guys are left
  • Mao (communist) and Chiang Kai-shek (nationalist)
  • they had a big barney over their ideological differences and the fash lost fleeing to Taiwan while Mao rebuilt the Chinese mainland.
  • while in Taiwan Chiang Kai-Shek genocides a fair few of the native Taiwanese people in a bloody regime to solidify his power and Taiwan as (in his mind) the real China despite native Taiwanese people considering themselves part of China already.
  • even now the inheritors of change kai sheks legacy still have nepotism babies and fascists in government but also a more left leaning Liberal lot who want to apologise for the crimes of the past and move forward (I think led by the lead singer of the Taiwanese melo death metal band Cthonic who is a sitting MP or something lmao)
  • so Taiwan is kinda torn between their nationalistic past and the new "Progressive" camp that want to just move on and stop the hostilities kinda I'm not sure, what I've seen is so inconsistent.

So yeah I dunno but that history informed the UN decision and only now that the west have realised they can really use this to benefit themselves have they started pushing the free Taiwan angle hard.

Take from that what you will as I learnt all this second hand.

[-] ilyenkov@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

One big thing to keep in mind though is that the DPP, the people who want to declare independence and claim that Taiwan isn't China, are all simps for Japanese colonialism.

[-] Tastysnack@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

are all simps for Japanese colonialism.

Lmao no wonder the west loves them then

[-] PreachHard@mander.xyz 22 points 1 year ago

Thank you so much that offers some great jump off points for some reading. I'm definitely too uniformed to have an opinion here lol.

[-] Tastysnack@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You're never too uninformed to ask questions though and that's what you are doing so that's good and based.

We all have to learn and I'm doing my best as well uwu

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I feel that way a lot being in a community with them lol. They are all extremely helpful and ready to explain and give links to info. It helps us all learn when people ask questions. fidel-salute to all the helpful comrades and all those asking good faith questions

[-] PreachHard@mander.xyz 13 points 1 year ago

Yeah this is really beautiful and enlightening, it's hard to deprogram yourself from this shit as you're spoon fed so much stuff from the get-go it's hard to reassess what's different forms of wester kompromat.

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

Absolutely. Its definitely a process unlearning western propoganda

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

I'm definitely too uniformed to have an opinion here.

That's such a fantastic attitude. I just want to commend you for being able to realise that.

[-] ProxyTheAwesome@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

Mostly correct but you got mixed up toward the end. The KMT, the old nationalist party, is actually the moderate and reasonable party now that wants a status quo to continue (One China policy but autonomy) and want to increase business relations with the mainland. The new Liberal party don’t want to just “move forward” they want to become a US military base and declare independence. They are western stooges and imperialists. The KMT is ironically the better option

[-] Tastysnack@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago
[-] ProxyTheAwesome@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The best option is of course a slow and peaceful economic and diplomatic merge over time, but for this to happen America has to seriously fuck off and be dealt with because they do everything in their power to prevent that. They will install suicidal fascists with nukes before they allow it. For that reason, China might have to make a sudden and aggressive move and I will support them when/if they do.

[-] Tastysnack@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

Yeah when you speak to libs and suggest a solution to a problem its always "oh really and how's that supposed to work in the real world?" smuglord and like 99% of the time it's literally just America stopping it. Every fucking time.

[-] PreachHard@mander.xyz 11 points 1 year ago

See: Venezuela, Iraq, Iran, Brazil, Cuba.. the list goes on

[-] Pseudoplatanus22@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

they had a big barney

That's one way of putting it, lmao

[-] Tastysnack@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

We keep it light here don't we comrades sadness-abysmal

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[-] Maoo@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

A closer (but imperfect) analogy would be if during the US Civil War, The South retained Florida because The British intervened and prevented a reunifucation of the country, and neither side ever conceded, and there are still people alive that remember all of this happening.

And now The British are demanding international legitimacy for The Confederacy even though it's a red line for the North and most people in Florida don't even want it, but The British gain from it.

And to point out a major issue with the Israel analogy: Israel is a settler-colonial project of The West whereas Formosa was previously Chinese / indigenous, then colonized by the Japanese, and finally conquered by the imperialist-backed nationalists. This is closer to liberation than a colonial claim.

[-] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

you miss something , simple check out what the "excat" name of the Goverment currently (temporarly Embaressed) Presiding ON the ISLAND of Taiwan /Formosa is.

you dont even need to check that out i helped you

Both Sides Claim All of china its the most extremly logical thing a GOVERMENT OF CHINA can do. Its btw not your fault that you dont know shit about Taiwan , but have a vague feeling of Indignation on its behalf this is your Media working as Intented in its "SOFTPOWER" Capacity Media is Softpower , the ability to make you hate what is not your enemy....

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[-] Wheaties@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago

They really want to do the whole "inhuman orcs" thing for China, so they're looking at Taiwan and wishfully hoping for a Russia/Ukraine style invasion even though the conditions are completely different.

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[-] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago

Let China join united nations? its already in the UN smh.

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago

Starting to wonder if the ruling class wants a nuke dropped on their heads

[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

if you asked them they'd say no, but they also view any loss of relative class position as an equivalent annihilation

[-] Utter_Karate@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago

It's fascinating how upset some people get when I say that Taiwan is a part of China. Considering I am just taking the same position as every major political party in my country, every EU country, every major Asian country, the US, and fucking Taiwan. It should not be that controversial.

[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

Um sweaty, have you considered that everyone I disagree with is brainwashed or coerced? China is holding the entire world at gunpoint like my abusive ex, and Taiwan doesn’t know what’s good for themselves!

[-] TheGamingLuddite@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago

Translation: ACCELERATE! ACCELERATE! ANNIHILATORY IMPERIAL VIOLENCE IS THE ONLY WAY OUT OF NEOLIBERAL DEBT SERFDOM. WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW MORE?

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

The best thing for peace and stability is a provocative action by the West against a non-aggressive state

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

Existing without being under the control of Burgerland is aggression maybe-later-honey

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

Its the "isn't there someome you forgot to ask" meme, but with just existing

[-] Tachanka@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

Journalists for outlets like the Telegraph are hired precisely on the basis of how much their opinions align with ruling class interests. So to answer the question. Yes. There is something going on in their brain. Bourgeois class consciousness.

[-] Orcocracy@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That building the girl with the Ukrainian flag is walking towards is the Chiang Kai-shek memorial, a monument to Taiwan’s brutal Cold War era US-backed fascist dictator. There’s a huge statue of him sitting on a throne like the Lincoln memorial through the arch in the middle.

[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

Ukraine flag people and supporting brutal fascist reigns of terror seems to go hand in hand.

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[-] Dolores@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

its so funny when westerners propose action in the UN directly against the interests of security council members with a veto.

remember that that thing the US uses to keep the UN from doing anything good? yeah it actually goes both ways, chum

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[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago
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