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“Communism bad”

“Why?”

200 year old tropes so ancient they were debunked by Marx himself

Of course, you go through the motions of explaining the most basic political concepts that could be grasped by skimming the cliff notes for literally any Marxist works

“Friedrich Engels? Is he like the president of Germany or something?”

It’s like a kindergartener trying to teach you calculus.

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[–] star_wraith@hexbear.net 98 points 1 year ago (4 children)

200 year old tropes so ancient they were debunked by Marx himself

In the very first lecture of my Macro 101 course in undergrad, my libertarian econ professor talked about how if the LTV was correct then an inedible mud pie would have as much value as a real pie. I was delighted when I first read Capital and I saw that Marx debunked this very myth like on page 4. Marx is great at anticipating objections and then thoroughly responding, it’s just the libs don’t bother to read him.

[–] axont@hexbear.net 77 points 1 year ago

"socially necessary labor time" is a phrase to liberals like garlic to vampires

[–] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 72 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's lovely to hear people say that Marx has been debunked. Have they read Marx? No, of course not. The debunkers who they DID read hadnt either so this conversation is always pleasant blob-no-thoughts

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

They aren’t interested in the truth. They’re interested in “debunking” Marxism by any means necessary. It’s the political version of the gamer thing where you don’t need to actually play the game to decide it’s bad because professional opinion havers already told you what to think.

[–] ZapataCadabra@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What is the debunking, for those of us who are unread savages.

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

value is produced not by "any labor time that i imagine" but by "socially necessary labor time." mud pies are not socially necessary in any context, and it would be an absurd counterfactual to attempt to defend. the hypothetical society too stupid to realize that mud pies are worthless.

[–] fuckiforgotmypasswor@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

mud pies are not socially necessary in any context

who-did-this

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

Are these dumbasses aware that they’re not the first people in the world to think of the most basic and simple objections?