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[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

It’s true though. Quit bullshitting him and let him know the truth. I mean, why beat around the bush when this is the thing you believe? Perhaps Francis personally doesn’t believe it, but the Vatican has reaffirmed that atheists don’t go to heaven and Francis doesn’t step out of line when the church corrects him. How is it any different than a generic corporate response or Secretary of State response?

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago

Official belief is that they can't say who's in hell anyway, and one of the 3 theological virtues in Catholicism is the hope that everyone is saved from hell. So it wasn't out of character to do a little bit of wishful thinking in this situation.

[–] Comp4@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Im not deep into christian lore but im pretty sure many rules and concepts are somewhat flexible and situational applied.

[–] pooh@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

From what I understand the clearest guide from Christ himself says 2 things: love god and love your neighbor. Any of this other evangelical bullshit is heresy.

[–] Sandinband@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

The pope didn't actually say the kids dad was in heaven but also Christians are supposed to "weep with those who weep" ie the pope should have comforted the kid in this situation anyway

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

John Paul 2, in a true counterreformation moment, confirmed that there is no salvation outside catholic church in the declaration Dominus Iesus in year 2000. This means not only atheists and non-christians but non-roman catholic christians too. Eat that heretics.

Of course this was so shockingly backwards move to 1600's, especially in light of the loudly propagandised "ecumenism" of JP2, that everyone including the offcial author (later pope Benedict XVI) completely ignored it, but it was still official document on the matter of faith by pope who is infallible in the matters of faith, so here they are.

[–] GreenTeaRedFlag@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

infallible in the matters of faith

certain conditions need to be met for this but yeah

[–] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Because you're talking to a child about his dead father and because the "truth" literally doesn't matter and it's all just vibes anyway.

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

So what? These people believe god will take care of everything. If that’s true then there should be harm in letting him know the truth

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If it's all bullshit anyway, why not be nice about it?

Besides, let he without sin cast the first stone. Who are you to decide who gets mercy?

[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Besides, let he without sin cast the first stone. Who are you to decide who gets mercy?

can't sin if sin is a fake category the-more-you-know

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

See my first sentence