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I suspect a lot of people have difficulty recognizing that what they believe about the world may not be representative of how the world actually behaves. I certainly do, frequently.

Like with politics, people think they need to go vote and march and stuff to effect change, but if you're willing to accept the idea that there are limits to your ability to perceive the world and your perceptions are misleading, you can pretty reliably go and see that isn't true.

You can also decipher deeper realities like you can basically put whatever you want on flat bread, or that you dadskf;'akse'wfaegqrwt;'lj'a fuck my brain. I'm asd I'm not sure what I was trying to say.

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[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 46 points 1 year ago

All of the money that the ruling class has is belief-based power. If their security details and handlers collectively decided that the ruling class no longer had power and that their money was meaningless, they would crumble like dry leaves. oooaaaaaaauhhh

[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"do you feel in charge?"

"I've paid you a small fortune."

"and this gives you... power over me?"

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago

But that's the bad guy because he went too far and wanted to improve society somewhat and a nuke was crammed in along with a desecration of American football to make sure his evil status was confirmed. Nolan is very nonpolitical and an auteur mystery wrapped in an enigma.

bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam

[-] fox@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

He definitely didn't want to improve society, he wanted to kill a bunch of people as part of some social darwinist thing and dressed it up in liberationist clothes

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I know that; that's the Nolan take on presenting anyone who even appears to be wanting to improve society somewhat.

A thief believes everyone steals; a Randroid believes everyone pursues self interest and actually caring about other people is a lie.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago

Yeah, Nolan more or less screamed "look this is what Occupy wants this is what Occupy wants they want to kill rich people in bizarre ways and terror and stuff!"

Dork Knight Retires is Nolan trying to warn people about what he thinks the Occupy movement was trying to do or would do. It's anti-occupy propaganda. It even ends with the brave nypd running out of the sewers to bravely fight... terrorists i guess? In a hand to hand brawl.

The whole league of shadows thing isn't even minimally explained. There's a bunch of all-powerful omnipresent bad people who want to nuke nyc because they think nyc is bad? They're western liberal's idea of "terrorists" - unreasoning fanatics without any sane or inteligible ideology or goals who just want to hurt people and exist as like a force of nature or a curse. A totally alien, depoliticized other who acts as a cosmic foil to the perfect liberal civilization rather than as any kind of real or historical group or movement. Most of their bad guys are like that - either inexplicably destructive fanatics with no rational goals beyond destruction, or criminals trying to make money. And often the two are mixed together, with criminals who do horrible harmful things that make no sense at all, to the point where criminal behavior is decoupled even from economic goals and bad guys just do crimes because they're bad

Characters like killmonger are barely an exception, where the lib writers acknowledge that there are valid criticisisms of lib society but portray anyone who tries to change things as an evil puppy kicking monster to emphasize that there is no acceptable method of changing anything.

[-] edge@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

If their security details and handlers collectively decided that the ruling class no longer had power and that their money was meaningless

Which is why they're paid well enough to very much not think money is meaningless.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

Until they don't, which can happen if some petty emperor stiffs their Praetorians.

[-] edge@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

They'll just get paid more by somebody else.

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