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By all western accounts (might as well say most credible) Ukraine is without a doubt winning this war, there is no denying how substantial the Russian losses have been not just in sheer numbers of those killed on the frontlines but even more so those who have been impacted by the western imposed sanctions which can be removed if Russia removes themselves from occupied Ukraine. I think there have been 14 million Russian deaths as a result of this war and only 4000 Ukrainian deaths - that number includes victims of war (may they rest in peace).

I just want the hexbears to enlighten me - they make bold claims but never follow up with any sources, they constantly repeat the same whataboutisms without acknowledging material reality around them, you can keep retracting your arguments anytime you are proven wrong but this playdoh act can only go so far - if you “”communists”” (hate typing that word) actually had an ounce of care for humanity, wouldn’t you be opposed to the Ruzzian invasion of a sovereign nation such as Ukraine? Let me paint a picture for you - you children might understand this more if I speak in your terms:

If you claim Israel (which is a real country by all historical accounts), that they have no right to be on alleged stolen Palestine land… why do you not come to the same conclusion when it comes to Russia and Ukraine? Oh, another example, why would you not vote Biden who is by no means a great candidate but by choosing not to vote you allow a fascist (antithesis of communists) into power? Don’t you think you have a moral obligation to vote out fascism every time?

I don’t know, though- I’m just a person on the interweb- my opinions are correct and backed by the smartest minds in the west, I do not have to listen to any of you so don’t expect much engagement from me in the comments - thanks!

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[–] Darth_Reagan@hexbear.net 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Really? 14 million dead Russians and 4000 dead Ukrainians doesn't seem like satire? This post hit every western talking point in a simple to follow list.

[–] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This post hit every western talking point in a simple to follow list.

Yeah, exactly. Melina is just repeating actual things I have heard irl libs saying over the last couple of years. 14 million Russians and 4000 Ukrainians could come straight from the victims of communism memorial foundation.

If I came across this post from a random lemm.ee user I wouldn't have any reason to think it's a bit, just that they were a chud. The only thing that distinguishes Melina's post from that of a random lib is that we already know faer.

[–] Bay_of_Piggies@hexbear.net 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I picked up in it being satire without looking at the name. It reads like a strawman of liberal beliefs in many places and uses funny empathsis at certain points that pushes it over the line.

[–] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No it doesn't. There was a headline last week about Russia allegedly losting over 80% of it's forces. How many articles are there about how the sanctions are totally working? Israel being real, equating the situation to ukraine, vote biden as the lesser evil - these are all literally western news reports. There's probably a near identical comment on reddit somewhere. Like I said, they're all things I have literally had said to me by people in real life. It's not even repeating the same things they say but in a stupid voice because it's text, so the only context that tells you that it's meant to be ironic is that Melina is posting it on CTH - if you don't have terminal internet poisoning those words mean nothing, so it just looks like normal liberalism.

[–] Bay_of_Piggies@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I really disagree. I don't even know who Melina is. The first line is obvious satire: "By all western accounts (might as well say most credible)". It doesn't take "terminal internet poisoning" to take that as ironic. People don't front load their ideology like that. It's just assumed, they don't have to say it. Going to disengage because neither of likely want to debate.