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[–] 420stalin69@hexbear.net 84 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Russia won’t pull out, Putin has to appear powerful. It doesn’t matter if it ruins Russia economically, he won’t ever stop.

Russia is the fastest growing economy in Europe.

They have a birth rate well below replacement and are bordering on demographic collapse. They can't afford to lose millions of men like they could in WW2.

Once about 32 million Russians die (probably early 2025) then the door will be locked in and the whole rotten edifice will fall down.

What I hate is most people don't seem to realise it's not only about Ukraine. Letting Russia win opens a whole other can of worms. Do we really want authoritarian powers with imperialistic ambitions around the world to think they can just invade what they want and wait until the West gets tired?

The west is the vanguard of anti-imperialism.

Meanwhile, Russia has had to sell oil at loses, has had assets frozen, has suffered heavy sanctions meaning lack of materials and equipment/technology, and has had to switch to a war time economy. Meanwhile, it has barely made a dent in the wests finances.

Russia the fastest growing economy in Europe.

[–] DefinitelyNotAPhone@hexbear.net 61 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Meanwhile, it has barely made a dent in the wests finances.

How long do you think it'll take liberals to figure out that derivatives and oil futures don't translate into ammunition and rations if you outsourced all your factories?

[–] save_vs_death@hexbear.net 56 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

They never will, the signs are already bad for the Ukrainian side.

In March 2023, the EU made the historic decision to deliver a million artillery shells to Ukraine within 12 months. But the number that has actually been sent is closer to 300,000.

According to the armed forces of Ukraine, over the summer of 2023, Ukraine was firing up to 7,000 artillery shells a day and managed to degrade Russia’s logistics and artillery to the point where Russia was firing about 5,000 rounds a day. Today, the Ukrainians are struggling to fire 2,000 rounds daily, while Russian artillery is reaching about 10,000.

Russia is likely to be able to fire about 5m rounds at Ukraine in 2024, based on its mobilised defence production, supply from Iran and North Korea, and remaining stocks. Despite the flippant observation – often made by European officials – that Russia’s economy is the same size as that of Italy, the Kremlin is producing more shells than all of Nato.

This is not to say "Russia stronk, victory imminent", but that there's a rising tide on the Russian side which has, amusingly, more stable allies, that can actually ship war supplies on time. Even this lib commentator is not shying away from noting the Ukrainian counter-offensive floundered. The closer you get to the actual details, the less gung-ho you are about the war, funny that.

[–] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 24 points 10 months ago

One of the worst and best things to happen to the world was the rise of the private defense contractors.

Obviously I don't need to explain why it is one of the worst things. But as for the best? Man, if all of the worst excesses of capitalism and neoliberalism aren't captured in a microcosm that is defence contractors...

The sheer amount of graft and inefficiency and boondoggles and everything else that comes from putting profits first in a captive capital environment. That's not to say that truly free-range capital is somehow a force for good but when defence contractors know that they're going to get handed billions upon billions of dollars every year and that they're competing against maybe a couple of other contractors, and sometimes none at all, then they're largely insulated from the forces of the market that tend to drive capitalist innovation.

The fact that the US had basically emptied its stocks of certain munitions really early in the Ukraine war speaks volumes about how fragile of a paper tiger the military-industrial complex really is. Obviously the US would have strategic stockpiles tucked away for when the shit hits the fan but last I checked it was going to take years for stocks of certain munitions to be replenished.

And the US isn't even in close to being in a full-blown war right now.

If it was like the old model the US would be able to take direct intervention into production, command-economy style, to produce weapons in order to fill the current shortfall in production but it would probably require an all out war with the US at the centre before they'd even consider abandoning their precious and fundamentally hamstrung neoliberal model.

Shit's rotten to the core and it is glorious thing to behold.

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

more stable allies

An important thing that westerners forget. Aside from rampant privatization in western counties, they frequently alienate the global south by demeaning them, their cultures, and refusing to provide any aid to substitute China’s and Russia’s aid. They expect Africans, Latin Americans, and Asians to just shut up and sanction everyone to the detriment of their people and economies.

[–] Wheaties@hexbear.net 22 points 10 months ago

What I hate is most people don't seem to realise it's not only about Ukraine. Letting Russia win opens a whole other can of worms. Do we really want authoritarian powers with imperialistic ambitions around the world to think they can just invade what they want and wait until the West gets tired?

WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK THE LAST THIRTY GODDAMN YEARS OF MILITARY CAMPAIGNS BOMBING AND OCCUPATION IN THE MIDDLE EAST WERE -- IF THERE IS A STANDARD WE SET IT

[–] star_wraith@hexbear.net 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

imperialistic ambitions

Libs always say this about Russia but Putin has been at the helm for a long time, like 25 years. In that time the war in Ukraine is really the only major conflict Russia has been involved in - the rest has been operations in places like Dagestan or Chechnya which may or may not have been justified, idk. Russia has displayed zero “imperialistic ambitions”.

Now compare that to totally not imperialist USA, who had started unprovoked, major wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya in that same time frame.

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago

Russia has mercenaries in Africa and the Middle East, but even then it has very limited success compared to the WOT led by the US.

[–] copylefty@hexbear.net 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Russia is the fastest growing economy in Europe.

Source? I couldn't find anything that backs this up

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Do we really want authoritarian powers with imperialistic ambitions around the world to think they can just invade what they want and wait until the West gets tired?

Biden said the same thing during a UN speech. I cannot and will not take these people seriously, even if i truly wanted to.

Meanwhile, it has barely made a dent in the wests finances.

… what? This entire comment has to be a joke right.