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[–] plinky@hexbear.net 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

The demand for cheap gas is learned behavior, cause cheap gas leads to more disposable income. Do americans get mad at aluminum/wood prices oscillations? The car/homes still get more expensive with those, but you won’t lose election on it.

Corporation construct reality where car is a means of survival, induce demand for gas and now people are bad for caring about this? Canadians or germans don’t get half as mad at gas prices as americans, do you guess why?

The voters don’t make anything clear because they don’t vote on policy, they vote on a theater actor tone of voice when reading teleprompter. aside from 30 percent strongly party affiliated electorate, americans don’t give a shit (or see it they all the same cynicism).

Again, say you describe pfas shenanigans to 10000 average americans, you honestly think 50 percent will say: that’s okay, dupont gives jobs?

Inversely, say I want to execute oil executives, who do I vote for that my preference is seen via voting tallies?

you decide to backproject politicians decisions (as signed off by the corporations) on the voters preferences? To get mega cynical about voters?

[–] yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Corporations are evil, of course. And no one is debating that evil entities seek to lie and cheat their way into power. But falling for self-serving lies makes you culpable.

Are Israeli soldiers not guilty because they follow orders and believe propaganda? You think that’s an excuse?

“Oh, someone told me to think and behave terribly, and I didn’t know any better.”

That is not an excuse. Pollution is bad. Electing narcissists is bad. Denying science is bad. You could argue human nature is fundamentally twisted and selfish, but that would still make those who endorse cruel and stupid ideologies blameworthy.

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 5 points 4 months ago

There is self-indulgent bathing in propaganda of course. but israel soldier whose choice is sit in jail or become a murderer and amerikan chosing between "i can afford rent here, therefore i need a car (because there is no public transport) therefore gas prices are important to me" or dont have a job and become homeless/sick to death aren't exactly comparable. One is trading humanity for comfort, the other one pollution for much more obvious survival. People play hands they are dealt, not ones they could have been dealt (insert kamala-coconut-tree here).

there is difference as well between endorsing and passively accepting, if we don't make it - germany should have been purified in nuclear fire 80 years ago. I mean the position of everyone should be exactly right on all issues is unproductive, and might lead you to passive contempt from which there is no escape