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https://nitter.lucabased.xyz/ContraPoints/status/1808529692405662047#m
Any fucking questions
And no, posting a picture of me next to Hillary does not count as an argument
New site tagline?
That's a pretty good one too
major climate bill
Didn’t these ghouls put massive tariffs on Chinese EV’s and solar panels? How the fuck is that helping?
Didn’t these ghouls put massive tariffs on Chinese EV’s and solar panels? How the fuck is that helping?
Oh, okay tankie, I guess you just don't understand how protectionist measures work, but that's unsurprising as communists never even understand Economics 101. They boost US industry by encouraging domestic prod--
Will these protectionist measures work? While the previous tariff measures did reduce the number of Chinese solar panels coming to the US (with an 86% drop over the 2012-2020 period), the billions in subsidies, from first Obama and then Biden, did not revitalise the US solar industry. On the contrary, the American global market share of the solar industry has considerably decreased since the original tariffs were placed — from 9% in 2010 to 2% today. Meanwhile, China’s share of the industry rose from 59% to 78%. There’s no reason to believe that the recent tariff increase will reverse this trend. There’s even less hope that they will help spur a domestic EV industry.
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It is thus no surprise that while the US government tries to block Chinese EV imports with tariffs, US firms are trying to recapture the EV market by licensing the superior technology of lead Chinese firms! Ford (in Michigan) and Tesla (in Nevada) are partnering with China’s CATL to make batteries. CATL says that it has structured its licensing deal with Ford so that it is compliant with “foreign entity of concern” rules. For its part, Tesla already uses Chinese BYD cells in Germany; Ford and GM use BYD batteries. Even Trump doesn’t like the idea of a ‘great wall’ against Chinese FDI in America. Speaking at an Ohio rally in March, he signalled an openness to Chinese firms building plants “in Michigan, in Ohio, in South Carolina”—so long as they were prepared to employ American workers.
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US manufacturing hasn’t seen productivity growth in 17 years. That makes it increasingly impossible for the US to compete in key areas, and Biden’s ‘industrial policy’ will fail to deliver unless it can end that stagnation. China’s manufacturing sector is now the dominant force in world production and trade. Its production exceeds that of the nine next largest manufacturers combined.
okay, well, look. it's actually very unfair to draw upon the history of uh, 14 years ago. what really matters here is that china is 1984 orwell 429,024,902 dead in tinyman square mao killed 1000 billion ughyurs.
A lot of words from someone who makes thousands of dollars making 1 video essay a year and hanging out with war criminals.
hey it's not an easy job to set up purple rim lighting and drink a glass of wine while saying "hello my pets" and then delivering a bland take over the course of 45 minutes
idk maybe she changed her game since i last watched a video five years ago
It's actually gotten worse. Her old videos actually had some substance, now it's just drinking wine in, honestly impressive, costumes.
hanging out with war criminals
She said posting a pic of her with 
is NOT an argument!
Why haven't the people without any power done anything as significant as the people with all the power?
Also the people with all the power aren't actually doing shit. They say they are, then in ten years we will learn that oops that money got gobbled up in corrupt nepotism and naive initiatives that has zero chance of working.
Their climate plan will not work, the student debt is a farce that they seem to hand out piecemeal to slowly remind us that they're trying! But not very hard it seems.
They lost abortion rights and have given up immigration policy. Conservatives are coming for trans rights next and gay rights are right behind that and the Dems have shown they won't fight for anything.
You have to be bloody delusional or connected to the money to think otherwise.
And no, posting a picture of me next to Hillary does not count as an argument
How the fuck is the "anti-electoralist left" supposed to accomplish anything when they neither posses state power and is constantly crushed by the state power that it does not posses? The mfing Democrats put all their power into blocking and shooting leftists, then wonder why the left isn't getting anything done.
look if you haven't personally accomplished as much as the office of the President in the last 4 years your ideas are clearly without merit, sorry
I would argue we have a better record by doing zero genocides
What about the 500000 gozillian dead from communism, tankies?
(paraphrasing) the far left will say to firebomb a Walmart but not actually do it
We burnt down a motherfucking police station 
A major climate bill
If it does nothing to change the trajectory of climate change than how is it major?
(Paraphasing) What have the anti-electoralist left done in comparison to the democrats?
Why the fuck are you comparing the least powerful people in the country to some of the most powerful? Are you even a leftist, Contra?
Not to mention the absolute stupidity of saying the anti-electoralist left is ineffective, when I'm pretty sure both Marx and Lenin both pointed out the pointlessness of bourgeoisie elections (maybe theory nerds can correct me if I'm wrong?)
I haven't watched Contrapoints for a loooong time, but she was always my least favourite Breadtuber. She had this sort of "Trans people should try to pass if we want to be accepted" video if I recall correctly and that's when I noped the fuck away from her videos.
Skull boy is okay, the rest of breadtube can suck my enby ass. Half of them give me fed vibes anyway.
Are you even a leftist, Contra?
do you even need to ask lol
a picture of me next to Hillary does not count
if you’re not allowed to show everything lib she’s ever done, and you squint hard, there may be a case for the moderate wing of fascism at best
I haven't watched Contrapoints for a loooong time, but she was always my least favourite Breadtuber. She had this sort of "Trans people should try to pass if we want to be accepted" video if I recall correctly and that's when I noped the fuck away from her videos.
Oh yeah she has done that and more. She has the most libbed up trajectory. She did the voting video if I remember, where she opines how revolution is bad and leads to "China tiananmen square 1989 mao great leap forward 1000 billion dead". And blames tankies for trump winning prior.
Anyway she also did hillary girlboss docu and gleefully bantered with hilldawg and Chelsea. Awesome.
Apparently gaza is mega complicated for her to decide which side is bad .
About the marx and lenin thing, both of them saw working class participation in bourgeois poltiics as necessary for the working class to count its own strength and put forth its political program. They saw it essentially as preparatory work for any revolution.
Neither had any illusions that participation in bourgeois politics by voting for bourgeois parties or bourgeois candidates would have any benefits. I don't know which one said it, but they even explicitly point out that it is better for the number of reactionary representatives in parliament to increase than for the working class candidates to deradicalise their program, or sell out to the bourgeoise.
That is because, again, the point is to disseminate revolutionary views within the population, to create a known alternative that could become a rallying cry if a revolutionary situation presented itself.
The Brianna Wu arc for contra is something. And no, posting a picture of me next to an astronaut holding a gun does not count as an argument
anti electoralist left
I'm not anti elections, I'm anti bourgeois "democracy." It's a farce.
I don't trust white trans liberals any more than I trust white cis liberals...
Trans liberalism is such a fucking aberration, they should be accosted by the whole community
can you reassure me that there's a plausible direct action/non-electoralist means of stopping him?
Yes. 
Its hilldawg's turn
Why are so many white trans liberals "contemplating which country to flee to". What's with the cowardice?
“willing to vote for the Palestinian genocide because trump scares me” is cowardly enough even before “fleeing the country”
She'll 100% not be in danger when Trump gets reelected. Despite being trans, she's a privileged white woman with plenty of money.
Two centuries of electoralism and we are barreling towards neverending wars, genocide and climate catastrophe
Uhm sweaty what has anti-electoralism achieved
I planted some trees in my yard which will probably have a greater positive impact on the environment than the totality of Democrat climate bills.
can you assure me there's a plausible direct action way of stopping him?
The weekend, sick leave, maternity leave, OSHA, no child labour, civil rights, holidays, etc. all came by as a result of strikes and other direct action
If Biden drone strikes Clarence Thomas as an official act to save OSHA and protect lives I still won’t vote for him, but that’s a good start.
Elections can stop fascists. Problem is you have to put people who really oppose fascism into power instead of people whose ideology is to collaborate with fascism and refuse to use any power given to them against fascism. How many times are you gonna be slapped by democrat party actions before you realise they are perfectly fine with fascism in power
Anything on the level of influence as a major climate bill?
Well, I can't say I've ever signed a bill that makes oil and gas drilling on public lands a legal requirement for investing in renewable energy, and I also haven't approved more drilling permits on federal land than Trump, but I can say 
, unfortunately I'm just one person and it's not like I have a platform with 600,000 followers to share my thoughts on it or anything.
You're a rich white trans woman living in a solid blue state, shut up!
There's a concept in the philosophy of climate change called "intervention responsibility." Basically, it just involves the recognition that "x is responsible for y" is only intelligible if x has the power to intervene in a way that prevents or changes y. The upshot of this is that different kinds of agents have different responsibilities with respect to big, complicated problems in light of the power (institutional and otherwise) that they have: I have a certain set of things that I can intervene on as a relatively wealthy white guy in the Imperial Core, giving me a different set of responsibilities than a subsistence farmer in the global South. Neither of us has anything close to the kind of intervention responsibility that, say, the US President or the Chevron Corporation has though, because those sorts of agents have access to causal levers that neither I nor the subsistence farmer could possibly get near, let alone pull.
Asking "what has the disempowered, disenfranchised left done that's more effective than the wealthiest empire in the history of the world" is a category error on par with asking what the color blue has done to make itself larger than the color orange. It's nonsensical, because you're comparing totally different kinds of things with access to totally different sorts of influence, and thus totally different responsibilities.
It's really easy to caricature the anti-direct action liberals as real life misanthropes whose politics is "democracy will be destroyed" and then not safeguarding that democracy. It would help to dispel that myth if they were more vocal about what specifically their methods have achieved.
It's like that time Ceaser was crying because Alexander the Great did so much when he was the same age. He refuses to acknowledge that Alexander inherited an army.
Yeah, if I had the reach and money of the democrats, I'd probably do a whole lot more just by virtue of not spending it on golf courses, mansions, and corrupt military expenditures. And you know what else? Labor would probably have a lot more money, good will, and reach if the US didn't go fucking ape shit, kill a bunch of people, and threaten to blow up the world as we knew it from the second WW2 ended until the dissolution of the USSR. All the while bombing the fuck out of miners, infiltrating any leftist groups that existed, and assassinating leaders of black movements. Domestic and international labor has to build its base out of rubble so fine you'd mistake it for sand. Democrats inherited the richest nation ever known and a worldwide military industrial complex and can't feed children lunch.
Remember If you don't tell her about the illegal and cool things you do they don't count. You have to dox yourself and list all the Walmarts you've firebombed or contra won't take you seriously
Me not voting for a genocider is much more of an accomplishment than a policy that pushed the timing of doomsday back 2 hours.
Ruling ideology is blaming the minorities for their misery. Girl, you were already a fascism cheerleader, you are just getting scratched
