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“Fuck it, I’m coconut pilled. I just want this to stop,” said one well-known Democratic operative (hexbear.net)

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[-] autismdragon@hexbear.net 34 points 3 months ago

Remember when we used to say Hillary Clinton was uniquely qualified to lose to Trump? Because Trump is historically unpopular? I know its been 8 years, but personally the only change I make to that statement personally is adding Biden to that and thats only because he's dying in front of us. I don't think Kamala eats shit. If she loses itll be barely. Like idk when the narrative changed but I disagree with the change. I still think almost anyone can beat Trump. Theres already polls showing her either winning or performing better than Biden in the swing states and thats before she's selected and had time to actually build herself.

[-] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 3 months ago

She has less rizz than a paper towel tube with googly eyes on it and she will face racism and sexism. Expecting her to eat shit is pretty reasonable IMO.

[-] autismdragon@hexbear.net 5 points 3 months ago

I think this perception of Kamala is a kind of Hexbear-bound phenomenon lol. She has a sort of charm to her because of her wine auntyness like I said elsewhere. She's not a total vacuum saltine like Pete or whatever.

she will face racism and sexism

Obama won two terms as president and Hillary won the popular vote lol. And the second of those two people is actually as unlikeable as Hexbear thinks she is (though even she had people who were charmed by her particular awkwardness). Idk why people here like play into the "a black woman can never be president" shit as if that itself isnt racist???? Like thats the shit the "Im KHive but i dont actually want Kamala to be president" shit are saying.

[-] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 3 months ago

She didn't do well in the 2020 primary. Now of course this isn't exactly the same situation as back then, but I don't see her as a strong enough candidate to safely beat Trump. Winning the popular vote isn't enough, as you yourself said.

[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 13 points 3 months ago

Desantis polled great too before he opened his mouth. The same thing would likely happen for Kamala. Hate to say it, but Gavin Newsom has a much better shot

[-] LocalOaf@hexbear.net 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Gruesome Newsom is a sleazy piece of shit, but you can tell he has some savvy political instincts of how and where to position himself. Immediately after the debate he smelled blood in the water and was trying to thread the needle of positioning himself as a potential replacement while also playing coy about whether he'd call on Biden to resign. You can tell he has a lot of barely concealed contempt for Kamala's ability to be almost as shitty and incoherent as Biden but managing to fail upwards and end up being VP even though she was polling sixth in the primaries in California before she dropped out and never even made it to the Iowa primary too. If he had an opening and thought he had a shot at winning a general election against Trump, he'd 100% jump at the opportunity to fuck over Harris.

[-] autismdragon@hexbear.net 3 points 3 months ago

I think you'd be surprised at how much "she reminds me of my mom/wine aunt" appeal Kamala has but ok. I dont think she's like DeSantis at all.

[-] booty@hexbear.net 10 points 3 months ago

I think Trump has some stuff going for him as far as popularity.

The entire Republican party is behind him. There are some irrelevant people who still have something they think of as principles, but they're few and far between and they fold easily. On the other hand, the democratic party can't decide what the fuck it wants. You've got 99% of the republican party saying "Trump is the greatest thing ever" and more like half the democratic party agreeing on any one thing.
He's already been president and the entire country didn't explode so he's already theoretically got more credibility than anyone in the running except Biden.
"Someone literally shot me and not only did I not shit my pants I was barely even hurt" is pretty much the biggest vibes-based victory you can get

I don't think it takes someone especially good to beat Trump, but I think that unlike in 2016 you actually have to be trying.

Theres already polls showing her either winning or performing better than Biden in the swing states and thats before she's selected and had time to actually build herself.

Personally I think her odds will go down the more we see her, not up. I think if they really want Kamala to be president they have to have her pull a Sleepy Joe and literally hide from the public as much as possible.

[-] Owl@hexbear.net 9 points 3 months ago

I think anybody with a D next to their name and more charisma than a cave moss could beat Trump, but the short list of candidates the DNC is likely to consider (Hillary, Kamala, Pete, Joe) all fail to reach that bar.