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Electing Judges in Mexico? It’s a Bad Idea.

But, consistent with his systematic attacks on checks and balances, his project to elect judges could lead to the death of democracy in Mexico.

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Ms. Singh is a professor at Stanford Law School and the executive director of the school’s Rule of Law Impact Lab. Ms. Garcia is an expert adviser to the lab.

https://law.stanford.edu/rule-of-law-impact-lab/#slsnav-our-focus :

Democracy is in decline around the world. Governments elected to power with populist agendas are increasingly adopting authoritarian tactics. There are striking similarities in the methods deployed to subvert democracy. These methods typically include compromising electoral integrity, undermining judicial independence, and quashing free expression and dissent. The Stanford Law School Rule of Law Impact Lab studies and uses legal tools to counter core threats to democracy and to promote democratic renewal worldwide.

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[–] Emanuel 15 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Gonna say something controversial, but I don't think judges should be elected. At least, they shouldn't only be elected.

What I mean is, being a judge (at least in the current state of things) is something that requires a lot of technical knowledge, and this should be attested through some kind of examination, at the very least. I think the same of many other kinds of government officials, as well. What I think could work is submitting to elections those approved in specific examination. Ideally, we'd also be able to remove from office any judge through vote, at any time. And, of course, there should be no room for high ranking politicians handpicking people for office, as well, as it happens where I live, in some cases.

I express this opinion as someone who has worked closely to the judicial system. Of course, I'm open to changing my mind if someone wants to express their opinion.

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

As everyone here knows, I am supremely stupid i-love-not-thinking but I'll try to address this to my knowledge

What I mean is, being a judge (at least in the current state of things) is something that requires a lot of technical knowledge, and this should be attested through some kind of examination, at the very least. I think the same of many other kinds of government officials, as well.

This is actually pretty common among Communist Party organizational theory. Direct Democracy isn't always the best, but neither is endless beaurocracy, thus a balance must be reached. This is where the concept of the Mass Line and Democratic Centralism in practice coalesce, with the Mass Line maintaining the will of the people while DemCent maintains unity in action. I doubt you'll see too much pushback here, it's quite similar to the CPC process to my knowledge.

[–] AnarchoSnowPlow@midwest.social 8 points 2 months ago

To anyone who suggests that just electing judges is a good idea, I refer Roy Moore, and the Alabama Supreme Court.

Electing judges often goes very poorly. Then again, I'm not a fan of states in general, so maybe I'm biased.

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I could see judges only being elected by people who have passed the bar exam for wherever their jurisdiction is going to be. In other words, judges are elected by lawyers and this acts as a sort of peer review.

This could end up causing other problems, though. It could result in a class of elites who are financially gatekeepers, yet have the power to implement legislation over the people. A lot of politicians are lawyers. Changes to the bar exam to make it easier or harder to become a lawyer in order to control who votes.

Something like having lawyers appoint judges but everyday citizens can veto or recall judges is another possibility.

[–] AK_Throwaway@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Good News! Alaska figured out the best way to do it:

https://public.courts.alaska.gov/web/forms/docs/pub-28.pdf

TLDR: A merit based process where candidates are rated by whomever wants to take the time to rate them (mostly lawyers), then a round of interviews with a judicial council (made up of three members of the public and three members of the Bar), judicial council considers scores and interview performance, eliminates lacking candidates (Chief Justice of the Alaska Supreme Court is tiebreaker if council is split on whether to eliminate a candidate), then advances remaining names to the governor who must pick one of the remaining candidates unless there are less than three candidates, in which case the process starts all over. Appointed judges have to face retention elections every few years, where their name is literally put on the November ballot and if they get less that 50% approval they get removed. This applies to all appointed judges, even those on the appellate courts.

[–] footfaults@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago

I will +1 this. Where I live, judges are directly elected and a ton of them are corrupt, incompetent, or just plain bad.

Don't know what the alternative is. We still need democratic accountability, but man oh man there was one judge that the local bar association rated as not qualified and they still won like 60% of the vote.

[–] Wertheimer@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago

You're good. You're actually in favor of more democracy (instant recall elections).

I can't find it now, and I could be wrong - all of the articles I get on Google are U.S. condemnations that don't have many details from the actual law - but I was under the impression that the reform would be something like Bolivia's system, where candidates come from a preapproved list to ensure that they're qualified.

Any system will have its drawbacks. So will this one. I've seen my share of nightmarish judicial elections in the U.S., too (like men's rights assholes running to be judges in family court), but, like, that's the thing about elections.

[–] ExotiqueMatter@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You could simply have passing an exam/test as a requirement to be a candidate in the election, in fact I'd say most influential positions would need that. For example, it should be required for the general secretary of a communist party to have good knowledge of theory, to ensure that we could have the candidates pass an exam.

[–] Emanuel 3 points 2 months ago

That's more or less what I meant. I'm not so sure about what you said of requiring attestation for general secretary, mostly because of what the curriculum for that would be and who would be in charge of defining said curriculum. Admittedly, though, I haven't given this topic much thought