Add getting the Trump bucks during the initial COVID waves and I don't know what else to say than he's materially the best president weve had in my life.

I mean it really shows how useless and evil the Democrats are more than anything. It's fucking wild

(Obviously it's not over yet, not getting ahead of myself, but this is the most progress we've seen by a long shot)

edit: folks it should be obvious i dont think he is doing this as a good thing or that it's not going to be a double edged sword. i'm just saying look at biden and compare.

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[–] CleverOleg@hexbear.net 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Trump took $100 million in donations from Miriam Adelson (I think the single largest donation he received) allegedly to allow Israel to annex the West Bank. Her people denied she demanded that but she is also an ultra-Zionist and billionaires aren’t known for just handing out no-strings-attached campaign funds.

During his first term Netanyahu and Trump were best buds. The “peace plan” he came up with his son in law was just a wish list of all the things Netanyahu wanted without ever giving the Palestinians a state.

Color me skeptical that Trump is playing hardball with Netanyahu. For that to make sense you’d have to buy the line that Trump is a genuine anti-war dove. I think it is far more likely to be a combination of 1.) this is the inevitable end to all this, Israel simply cannot sustain it as they are not any closer to their goals while the economy is still shit and their military is continuing to get hit hard by the Resistance in Gaza; and 2.) there is some quid pro quo deal going on with Trump and Netanyahu, maybe an agreement to support West Bank annexation, maybe a massive increase in financial and military support, etc.

[–] john_brown@hexbear.net 7 points 2 days ago

Color me skeptical that Trump is playing hardball with Netanyahu. For that to make sense you’d have to buy the line that Trump is a genuine anti-war dove.

I think it can make sense without him being a dove. Trump isn't anti-war, but he probably finds Netanyahu to be very annoying (it seems most people do) and doesn't like him. Netanyahu pissed him off at the end of his last term by congratulating Biden. If the new reports are to be believed then Trump seems to still have a personal dislike or at least disregard for Netanyahu. Trump doesn't want this war to be happening while he's in charge because it can be used to criticize him from both the Zionist side as well as the humanitarian side. It's a lose-lose from his perspective, and also the guy in charge of the war is a tedious annoying "traitor".

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 47 points 2 days ago

The real cherry on the cake is that it's part of his weird isolationist shit

That money isn't going to go to anything good, but it's removal from isntrael 's pocket is still somehow a net benefit

World is a fuck

[–] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The Israeli's will probably violate the ceasefire almost immediately like they did with Lebanon. Don't believe it for a second.

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 14 points 2 days ago

To be fair, Trump might take that as his authority being challenged and hopefully react extremely negatively

[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 42 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm waffling between "This is like praising Reagan for negotiating the hostage release in Iran" and "Well it's not like the Democrats were actually trying." Happy to end up being wrong but I'm thinking we should wait for the other shoe to drop before we draw any conclusions.

[–] edge@hexbear.net 26 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

"This is like praising Reagan for negotiating the hostage release in Iran"

That would only make sense if Trump was working behind the scenes to sabotage Democrat led negotiations until he got elected. Even if he was keen on doing that, he didn't have to because there were no actual negotiations.

But the motives here are very different. With Iran both parties wanted to bring back the American hostages (obviously), and Reagan only sabotaged it for personal gain. But in this case Biden didn't want a deal and Trump is only indirectly causing a deal because of his isolationism.

[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Trump is only indirectly causing a deal because of his isolationism

At the risk of going a little conspiracy-brained, I think attributing this to isolationism is a facile reading. I don't think Trump actively colluded with anyone but it's reasonable to assume that Netanyahu did what he could to drag out the negotiations knowing that a ceasefire would be good for the dems politically but, even so, they wouldn't try to apply any leverage to get an agreement in place. Bibi needed the ceasefire because the genocide is destroying Israel's economy, but he also needs Hamas because they're how he holds onto power. So while the agreement looks like a loss for Israel and like Trump had to twist their arm, it's still a win for Netanyahu. Now they can quietly annex the West Bank once the world stops paying attention and go back to the slow genocide in Gaza, which the Trump admin won't do anything to prevent.

[–] Grandpa_garbagio@hexbear.net 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

yeah i mostly agree with this. it is partially what i'm talking about. bibi saw trump as ok here's someone i can reasonably say "he talked me into it" to, whereas with biden and harris, who kept shouting for israel to kill all Palestinians, there isn't a way to not look weak.

this is why the democrats suck so fucking bad

[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 8 points 2 days ago

Yeah, it is impressive how many ways they've managed to be awful.

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 42 points 2 days ago (4 children)

He won't do it, but imagine he did universal healthcare labeled like "Patriot Care" or some shit, he'd go down in the history books as probably the best president ever, just for that alone. The bar is in the bedrock.

[–] regul@hexbear.net 29 points 2 days ago

Fixing the hole in the TriCare (military insurance) budget by letting civilians sign up for it, instituting a public option.

[–] anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 2 days ago

If he does, I bet he'll pile on the culture war bullshit. So free health care but your national insurance card has gender assigned at birth, racial makeup and political leanings. And it's administered by palantir

[–] Grandpa_garbagio@hexbear.net 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm very curious how he reacts once he starts receiving praise from the left online if the ceasefire is a success.

No idea what that looks like with him

[–] P1d40n3@hexbear.net 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If he achieves peace in Palestine, it may lead to the death of dems as a political force. I foresee a potential major realignment of us politics.

I think it could be as big as 9/11 in terms of politics in the US.

[–] MouthyHooker@hexbear.net 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I’m a big fan of the current push to convince him that it would really piss the left off if he built high speed rail and called it “Trump Train.”

Like nothing would own the libs and commies harder than high speed Trump Train we would all be soooooooo mad!!!

[–] Grandpa_garbagio@hexbear.net 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

if only they'd make a nonwoke train then all American patriots would ride it, for generations, and chant Trump's name

[–] MouthyHooker@hexbear.net 3 points 2 days ago

I would hate having to see Trump’s name all over every time I get on the anti-woke Trump Train that gets me from Denver to Las Vegas in 3 hours. I would cry liberal tears the entire trip 😭

[–] gil2455526 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I strongly disagree. The good he did was more inevitable than planned, and he emboldened the witch hunt of vulnerable people in the US and the fast growth of fascist movements internationally. While seeing the US shoot itself in the foot is great, seeing the most vulnerable people being hit the hardest makes me feel bad.

[–] john_brown@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago

Was withdrawing from afghanistan inevitable? Seems like the blob was pretty committed to their foothold on the border of China prior to Trump.

[–] Cummunism@hexbear.net 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

lol the withdrawal of afghanistan. yes, he started the rapid withdrawal. he also cried about Biden not doing it correctly, so you can discard that point there.

JD Vance warns of consequences if Gaza captive deal does not happen, including knocking out 'final' Hamas battalions.

oh what a great dude. lol.

pump the brakes.

[–] Grandpa_garbagio@hexbear.net 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

zero chance afghanistan withdrawal happens without that initial push under trump lol, we saw what biden was about.

like i said i'm waiting to see what happens with this ceasefire, but it's suddenly under discussion whereas before, under biden as well as the potential harris, it just wasn't happening

i'm not saying trump is good, i'm saying the democrats are evil

[–] Cummunism@hexbear.net 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

if you think a ceasefire is because Trump is a master statesman then i have beachfront property in Arizona to sell you. The other fascists of the world have an invested interest in propping up the soon to be king of the fascists.

i'm not saying trump is good

I don't know what else to say than he's materially the best president weve had in my life

lol k.

[–] Farvana@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 days ago

Trump is dogshit. The rest have been dogshittier.

[–] Grandpa_garbagio@hexbear.net 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

you understand I'm saying that in comparison to the bar that the Dems have set right? I've made that as clear as I possibly can. I.e. He is an awful person and a shit president and somehow still whipping Democrats at even this

read what im saying by what the words are and do not add what you imagine I mean please

[–] AnarchoAnarchist@hexbear.net 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Must every discussion of Foreign Policy over the next four years begin with a long denunciation of Trump? Would that satisfy your liberal requirements and allow us to proceed with actual discussions of the material realities (including the fact that as evil as Trump is he managed to kill less brown children than Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, or Biden)?

[–] Cummunism@hexbear.net 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Must every discussion of Foreign Policy over the next four years begin with a long denunciation of Trump?

the voices must be getting louder. did i say anything good about Biden? Nope. Did I show how the above person contradicted themselves? Yes.

i'm not saying trump is good

I don't know what else to say than he's materially the best president weve had in my life

people be like "gotta give credit where it's due!"

nah you really don't..

[–] CthulhusIntern@hexbear.net 16 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Trump is the definition of failing upwards. It's interesting to think what his legacy might be, because I don't know at this point.

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

There's something slightly different from simple "failing upwards" going on here. It's the combination of wealth and complete lack of introspection or uncertainty or nuance.

Americans are particularly receptive to someone who fully embodies all their values, of being rich and inhumane and unapologetic and even proudly ignorant. For someone to exhibit all of these to a full extent, they need to be brought up in a kind of contemptuous, misanthropic opulence that perfectly conditions them to never entertain any critique of themselves. Then they must be some combination of capable and lucky in order to succeed and not be weeded out. These criteria combined amount to one in millions, and the result is the perfect sociopath.

So he didn't exactly fail upwards, he ended up just as wealthy as he started. He did manage to convert wealth and notoriety into power though.

[–] Grandpa_garbagio@hexbear.net 6 points 2 days ago

that could probably boil down what I'm trying to say actually to "what the hell is happening".

We are in the "here there be monsters" stage of the rise of fascism I believe, it's harder and harder to predict

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Does the ceasefire discussed even have good terms? I haven't looked into it.

I don't expect the Zionists to honor it anyway, though, but hope it works.

[–] makotech222@hexbear.net 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

i've been slowly building this take as well, kinda waiting to see how the palestine thing turns out. but trump is by default the best president since 1990, purely based on the fact he did the least bad things. also big fucking checks and accelerated covid vaccine dev + rollout.

obama's obamacare was decent, but obviously he drone bombed so many people and destroyed libya.

bush no shot

clinton i was too young for, but i know he bombed some places and did nafta

gwbush also too young for.

[–] ImmortanStalin@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Clinton bombed Yugoslavia and invaded Somalia, off the top of my head.

Bush jr invaded Iraq and Afghanistan and brought us into the era of the "global war on terror."

[–] Maturin@hexbear.net 11 points 2 days ago

And tomahawked that medicine factory

[–] admins_r_trds@lemmy.wtf 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I dislike focusing on individual imho. He does not matter. The colonization will not stop and if the financials want to cut their losses for now, it's only because they can't physically continue without creating unrest in the imperial core. Their lies are too apparent now.

Beside, with the americans in syria they will want a piece of that cake i bet. Scums

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 23 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Hey wanted to let you know your user name's ableist, which isn't welcome on hexbear.

You're more than welcome to make a shiny new hexbear account with a cooler nickname with the added bonus of getting to access our emojis

[–] admins_r_trds@lemmy.wtf 7 points 2 days ago

It means "turds".

At it was redirected at the .world admins. You know, the genocide denialist.

But ofc if you want I'll create a new account I don't mind

[–] Grandpa_garbagio@hexbear.net 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

i mean in this case the difference between biden as an individual and trump are pretty night and day. i get that in the grand scheme, but i'm talking specifically under a microscope here, which should be pretty obvious considering i'm about to hand it to trump

[–] admins_r_trds@lemmy.wtf 4 points 2 days ago

Personally I would hate to be in the same room as any of those fuckers that's for sure.

[–] john_brown@hexbear.net 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

this (correct) post smoked some liberal tendencies out of the brush for sure

[–] Grandpa_garbagio@hexbear.net 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

this happens at bars a lot around me lol

[–] john_brown@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago

it's still happening

ecoterrorist

[–] abc@hexbear.net 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

great take grandpa garbage

[–] Grandpa_garbagio@hexbear.net 9 points 2 days ago

as a being living in material reality I believe this might be a non uncommon sentiment. Thank you for acknowledging the garbage