Why does every old left thinker go insane about trans people?
this post was submitted on 14 Jun 2023
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I think another factor is these people have spent most of their leftist lives mostly isolated from actual “real world” leftists. If you’re a Marxist professor or writer in the 70s, who are you gonna be interacting with other than maybe other Marxist academics. When you let your views percolate in your brain (or only interacting with other egghead leftists), you end up being unable to grow and change.
Like, I really don’t think myself or most leftists who grow up in the internet will get like this when we’re in our 80s. We joke about touching grass, but the truth is being able to interact with other regular leftists from across the world on a place like Hexbear really does keep the brain worms in check, I believe.
The way vegans are treated here determined your premise is false.
I’m vegan, and things are still a million times better here (and in IRL leftist space) than it is in the real world.
We have a mandatory cw for pictures of meat.
The only time I've ever seen anyone argue with or about vegans is when one claims to be abused here. We put content warnings on pictures of gelatin.
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It's bizarre and disgusting. What the fuck is wrong with them? Plently of people got the message back in the 70s, 80s,90s, where these assholes too busy writing sternly worded letters to Trotskyists to notice? Fuck em.
I think the olds are just having a melt down over gender
Its curious, because I know more than a few olds who are utterly blaise over gender politics. Almost as though they've been living through it their entire lives. Admittedly, these tend toward LGBT olds and olds that had to wrangle over miscegenation laws.
Finkelstein, for all his virtues as a journalist, simply isn't any kind of culture warrior. I can't say I'm totally shocked that he's blind to the modern domestic civil rights era when he's been focused elsewhere. After that, he's as much a victim of the Most Propagandized Mass Media On Earth as everyone else.
N O R M A L :grill-broke:
This is like being surprised :zizek-ok: doesn't have shit, reactionary opinions, too. These people aren't Marxists just because they get one or two subjects right- Norm still ends up at the same parties of the Martha's Vineyard intelligentsia as Dershowitz no matter how many on stage tiffs they have over Israel
Sigh. Great, another guy who's popular in leftist spaces who thinks people like me are some sort of nuisance for existing. :sadness-abysmal: Of course stupidpol agrees with him.
stupidpol
Comrade, for the sake of your mental health, I would suggest just not looking at that hellhole. I know it can be tempting, but i haven't looked at them in years and I consider that a definitive boon to my overall existence.
You're right. I guess sometimes I just can't resist the temptation out of morbid curiosity, but it always ends in anger and sadness. Definitely not good for my mental health. I'll follow your advice, thank you. :Care-Comrade:
God damn it. He's gonna say the "trans cult" is like Isreal because they are silencing him, isn't he...
Fuck you norm. You're not my comrade. Jesus fucking christ this is so easy, so low and slow across the plate. You've had fifty fucking years to pick up a godamn book and learn the most basic aspect of feminism and gender theory, so fuck you.
Yeah.
How, you might ask, is a dude who was born and raised in New York City surprised and outraged that drag exists? Because he's a fucking dinosaur. Gender was not a political issue (for him) before the fall of the Soviet Union, and his only idea for a political program is to return to the political landscape of 1968. Anything which requires him to learn anything new is experienced as a threat or a ploy by the capitalists. Useless man.
Gender was not a political issue (for him) before the fall of the Soviet Union, and his only idea for a political program is to return to the political landscape of 1968.
There's a a reason so many women who tried to join leftist orgs in the 60s and 70s ended up sticking to women's liberation orgs, and that reason is dudes like Norm. I guess it's good on him that he's called out at least one form of oppression that most libs are blind to, but normally that should mean being able to also recognize all the others instead of completely denying them because they ensure your privilege as a white cishet dude who's a credentialled part of the NYC intelligentsia.
How, you might ask, is a dude who was born and raised in New York City surprised and outraged that drag exists?
Pretty normal if you've spent all your life in Queens. Curiously enough, given the name.
This is what I meant.
Ugh the clip in that thread. Norm is blaming Angela Davis for the liberal establishment coopting her message and whitewashing it - like what the fuck else is she supposed to do, Norm? Advocate for a communist revolution which in America right now is every bit as far flung a possibility as prison abolition is? Immolate herself on the steps of the White House in protest? Stop punching left for fuck's sake and that goes for the article in the OP as well.
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who is this guy?
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fucking lmao, New Yorker as hyper woke? My dad has been reading that my entire life, so I can't help but just think of him.
Finklestein is a former professor who became pretty popular on the left after he got black balled for his criticisms of Israel. Bit of a firebrand, so his speeches became popular. Honestly, this isn't super surprising, he's always been a bit of an asshole and prided himself on "not being PC"
prided himself on “not being PC”
Average True Anon guest interviewee.
Thanks for the explanation :rat-salute-2:
hyper-woke
Into the woodchipper he goes. So sad.
??? sus choice of words fam
Holy shit, how did I fuck that up so bad. Changed it.
lmao at the edit xD
To listen to woke programming, you’d think the two most burning issues confronting Humanity are climate change and transgender bathrooms in North Carolina
Fucking 0 for two you dumb fucking bozo
Yeah, norms brain is literally melting out of his skull from old age. Letting him share his thoughts publicly is basically irresponsible at this point.
:cissues: :gui-trans:
Change is inevitable and fundamental to existence. One cannot hold on to the past where dudes were dudes and dames were dames. To do so stifles life to a point were the needle comes to a screeching halt. The rhythm and dance that is existence cannot be constrained by those unwilling to enter the cosmic discotheque as they picket against the unavoidable harmony and beauty of impermanence.
I hope Norm looks within himself and begins to open the fathomless space in his heart that he needlessly closes off. So many years of playing a victim one ends up the victimizer.
One cannot hold on to the past where dudes were dudes and dames were dames.
Dude's just doing ChatGPT hallucinations of ad copy from the 1980s.
This is a past that isn't even past. Its a never-was.
God damn it Norm
Oh boy, he's going to become a writer for the post-split Grayzone now isn't he? :debord-tired:
I'm glad the issue of ethnic cleansing and apartheid is solved so Norm can spend his goddamn retirement age years on this fucking shit.
His interview on Pod Damn America was really frustrating and incoherent. Credit to Anders for pushing back on Norm's bullshit.
Norm, stop :snipes-hesitation:
Ok this sucks, but honestly is whole blog is complete shit. Even the articles that could be interesting, like about Ukraine, are just short little gotchas. Sad to see anybody debase themselves for internet attention, but extra sad when it's a supposed wise old academic doing it.
what, I genuinely thought Finkelstein was dead lmao.
Where is that crying kid with a gun emoji when you need it
:hesitation-2: :hesitation-1:
Political awakening after appearing on the Adam Friedland Show obvs
Fecalstain :kelly: