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I'm coming out swinging here.

Movies? Right out, between the distinct fandoms of both American Sniper Part V: Killing Children, the acolytes of Marveslop and guy who's really into french indie cinema to sexually assault women there really is nothing to save there. Get rid of it, I say, what difference does it make?

Books? Pfff, there's the door. A thousand women converted into abusal BDSM play by a badly written fanfic of twilight and you want that shit to go on? You in favour of Steel Storm and My Struggle? Thought not. Fuck books.

Paintings? While Homeland Security is waxing about Kinkade? Statues, as if that's not the #1 signifier for alt right weirdos now? Away it goes!

I think you get the point. To judge a medium by it's worst fans is inane, though. Capital G gamers suck, but so do so many different flavours or fans of other mediums. The problem is not the medium.

When I was a kid, I didn't have meaningful connections with any other people. My family was terrible, and despite really trying to fit in at school, it wasn't ever an environment I could settle into. The friends I did make were pretty abusive, and not just verbally. It wasn't until adulthood that I found even a couple of people who I could genuinely call "good friends".

When online gaming was becoming a thing, that was the first avenue through which I was able to make genuine connections with other people. Of course there's still plenty of jerks online, but being in an environment where everyone around me automatically shared at least one interest, and because in that environment we were expected to work together to accomplish a set of goals, it made it a lot easier for me to make personal connections. To this day I have very deep relationships with some of those people.

So, for me, I can confidently say the world would be significantly worse without video games. Even aside from the general relief of escapism that they provide.

You're laughing, srubhut is openly calling for gamercide and you're laughing

I beg everyone that has this take, just play anything other than multiplayer slop and open-world checklist simulators and don't listen to the average slop consumer gamer. There are games that are excellent toys, games that are excellent art (typically not in the same way as a good movie or book, but interactivity can elevate even simpler stories if done properly) or even a combination of the two.

Not sure if you will even care though, I suspect you are one of those boring types who has no interests and just wants to talk about who fucked who and about the last place you traveled to on repeat.

I don't think it's correct to blame video games for the world being shit. The popularity of videos games is due to the world being shit, not the other way around. Video games exist as a form of escapism. If the world were less shit, people would play less video games.

imagine any other art requiring an internet connection and then being unusable when the servers turned off

I think games have two functions: genuine entertainment and escaping alienation. I had the realization maybe a year ago that my main motivation for playing games has been the latter, and I'd speculate that alot of other people are like that as well. I just don't find games entertaining anymore.

Our society is held together by ductape and treats ( )

They already are its just the horrible slow death under capital, along with near everything else you love and hate.

I just want more games with good writing, or games that have genuinely educational value on the level of a Ken Loach directed movie. I like silly fun shoot em up games as much as anyone else but I could probably count less than ten or twenty games I've ever played that gave me genuine emotional movement. And I have over 1200 games in my steam account.

And I don't think I'm being pompous when I say that, because I do like and respect games and think they often are masterpieces on the level of an important novel or movie or something. I think maybe a limiting factor with games is that unlike a novel or movie or painting, they don't have to say much of anything, or mean anything, and they still function as interactive little escapes (sometimes).

Maybe one of y'all can recommend something for me? For reference here's some examples of games I've played that I've felt have had genuine artistic/emotional merit:

• Sable
• Outer Wilds
• Silent Hill 2
• Some of the Suikoden games
• Heaven's Vault
• Disco Elysium (I know it's been said to death by now but this game is a towering achievement in terms of game writing and I really don't feel like anything else comes close)

I love games and that's why I hope there's another crash

Its just a medium. No one gets mad at the paint for being an advertisement or a photograph for being vulgar.

I want the game industry to die (because it is contemptible in every way), but I love video-games themselves.

There's something about hyperconsumerist fandoms like Disney or potter adults and the way gaming developed around hyperconsumerism, starting with the arcades, to make a fandom around the entire media, not just specific franchises, but I'm tired and halfway through a joint so someone else is going to have to put together the pieces.

reiterating my comment from a couple days ago:

where's the movement to save games but kills Gamers? now that's a movement i could get behind!

Gaming is the only artform that hasn't reached anywhere close to its potential and has entire genres that are actively harmful to people (gacha trash that preys on gambling addictions, H-games where you r-word lolis). The world would be better off if we just delete every single game in existence and start over once we have global communism. Call it games 2.0.

Video games have literally saved my life more then once. Several times when I've been in a really bad mental spot I've managed to bury myself so deep in a game (The witcher and RDR2) that by the time i finished my brain had had a chance to calm enough and i was able to keep pushing through life.

Kill League Of Legends

Kill COD

Kill Fornite

Kill Valorant

Honestly? Same.

All I care about is any possible way, no matter how small, to make chuds miserable.

Is it that time again?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY33dg7N24g