Really they are talking about imperial core labor. The fact us that capital doesn't want to pay for expanded imperial core labor, and really hasn't since the 80's. On top of this the cost of social reproduction in the imperial core gas gone up. Meanwhile birth rates in third world countries are doing fine, isnt Nigeria still at like 4.5 kids per woman or something.

The time frame isn't a coincidence either, the 80's is when all the new tech developments really started to come online which allowed for comprehensive outsourcing. Basically capital has downgeared. Thet are using less productive and profitable production methods, but because labor costs are so much lower they still make super profits while being able out get around imperial core labor laws and taxes.

This is why you have them using like 20 Indian guys making commodities with 40 year old equipment instead of 1 or two imperial core guys using cutting edge equipment.

[–] CantaloupeAss@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I want to have kids in the future and have confidence that my partner and I will be able to figure it out and that the joy of having children will outweigh whatever hardships it may put upon us.

I respect that others may not want the same for themselves, but I don't buy this anti-natalist doom and gloom shit at all. People in dire economic and environmental conditions have been having children for all of human history.

If my kids really don't want to live through what's to come, they can kill themselves, just like I can and don't even though things are only looking to be shittier in my future. But I'm not going to make that decision for them.

[–] mars@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Holy shit, they can just kill themselves?? Do what you want, but if you really view the world as only getting worse, why not just spare them from having to off themselves?

[–] CantaloupeAss@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm saying that I don't see it that way. I am a communist because I am an optimist - if I was a nihilist, I wouldn't bother investing myself in the notion of progress and improvement. My point is that, even if the malthusianists are right, I still do not recognize malthusianism as a valid reason against having children - they will have free will, they can do as they please. My guess, and my bet, is that, like me, they will appreciate being alive, in spite of its associated pains, and will feel empowered to rise to the challenges of whatever times they face.

Life is full of joys, and we are going to have to deal with large-scale economic and environmental changes in the next 100 years. Neither of those statements precludes the other. I am not going to deny the future generation the opportunity to exist because of my prisoner-of-the-moment paranoias about the future. If the malthusianists are correct, they can have the last laugh. I understand that people can also make valid individual decisions not to have children and I respect that 100%, but I find the wallowing in fear of the future exhausting, dispiriting, and counterproductive to the leftist cause, and I reject anti-natalism as a point of leftist philosophy.

[–] mars@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

That's fair.

[–] GarfieldYaoi@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago

Dear boomers,

what part of "I'm poor" don't you understand? Also, why do you guys keep trying to speak for us on our behalf rather than directly ask millennials?

Sincerely,

someone who's gen Z.

[–] xj9@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago

i want to have kids, but so far i haven't been able to hold together the right combination of people and economic stability for it to play out. at 32, i'm starting to get there. now i just need to find a couple more partners and we'll be good to go. i understand why people might not want to "doom their child" to an uncertain future, but it seems like the right thing for me to do.

[–] M68040@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I just kind of haven't met anyone I actually like like that. Also greater obligations preventing me from directing my attention where I please when I please is not a prospect I relish considering how little control I have over my life as-is (and the anguish that lack of control causes me)

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