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https://teddit.zaggy.nl/r/Psychonaut/comments/18mth6c/peyote_is_the_darling_of_the_psychedelics/
Honestly this whole thread is a cesspool, pure psychic damage. There are literally functional alternatives, but still these self-enlightened egolords can't keep their fucking hands off an endangered plant. The prevailing attitude looks to be "Its there, so I i am entitled to plunder it"
No offence to any psychedelics users here, but every person who claims that they made them more enlightened, empathetic or understanding in my experience was always a worse human being afterwards, because they behaved exactly like this redditor. "I'm an enlightened empath because of my psychedelics, and that makes me better than you, so shut up and quit complaining, some of us have real problems, like I haven't gotten high in 20 minutes!"
That isn't my experience, though there are definitely some of those people too.
Meh, it's a mixed bag. Assholes tend stay assholes with drugs and cool people tend to be cool. I definitely met the worst kind quite a few times though
There's a certain type of spiritual person, especially ones who embrace westernised forms of Buddhist or Taoist thought, who think that because they've discovered the illusion of the self and achieved "stream entry" or whatever, that they're now above ethical concerns. It's not wrong after all if you're the enlightened one, and you can't cause suffering if there's no you to cause it.
(this is, incidentally, why most deep meditation traditions, eastern and western and in other cultures, force strict moral codes and even permanent isolation from society before you're allowed to touch the cool mind bindy shit.)
idk the classic tale of the libertarian who did MDMA turned out to be a better person because of it.
every person who claims that they made them more enlightened, empathetic or understanding in my experience was always a worse human being afterwards, because they behaved exactly like this redditor.
The hard part of psychedelics is not the revelation, but taking that revelation back to the sober mind. Psychs just break down the barrier and give you a heavy boost. If you can't carry it back then you're just using them a substitute for cultivating that behavior you want.
Yeah, they aren't magic, they just make your brain all fucky for a bit. They're a tool, not a cure-all.
Isn't this the exact same case with Westerners who get really into Zen Buddhism
In my experience, the person at the rave most likely to commit a SA, is the person talking nonstop about the spiritual aspects and healing powers of psychedelics.
Typical white pig doesn't understand why he can't eat all of a sacred endangered plant that takes 30 years to grow.
OINK OINK MUST CONSUME.
Although Anderson sympathized with the landowners, who wished to make their land productive and protect themselves from litigation by anyone who was injured on their ranch while collecting peyote, the closure of peyote harvesting grounds produced “serious tensions” between indigenous people and the ranchers. According to Salvador Johnson, the largest peyote distributor in Texas, 100 percent of the land in Texas where peyote grows is privately owned, which means that if peyoteros are going to harvest peyote, they need permission from landowners.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/zmdzbw/the-decline-of-american-peyote-v24n5
also if you use magic mushrooms you have a moral duty to know what happened to María Sabina
aww what the hell, fuckin kkkrackers
TIL about the MKUltra connection to what happened to her
thats the part that gets me!! how is the cia at the crime of EVERY bad thing in Latin America.
If something happened in South America in the last 80 or so years, "CIA did it" is an appropriate response 99% of the time.
I don't think it's a matter of gate keeping the drug do much as it is of keeping the plant from going extinct due to over harvesting. Grow your own peyote (most won't bc they lack the necessary skills and patience, even if they have an appropriate climate) or just use other psychedelics.
Watched some Crime Pays But Botany Doesn’t about “growing cactus from seed” and it’s about indigenous people growing peyote (and other cacti).
They’re already overharvested and dying out in the wild. Fuck off white psychonauts.
As someone who loved drugs back in the day, I always told people that they should grow their own San Pedro's or another common mescaline cactus and not peyote. I know a guy whose entire house is filled with different species of peyote, literally every inch of his floor covered in pots. He had trichoceruses he kept for tripping. If it didn't keep him busy and happy with himself, I'd say it was a hoard. But he was growing for repopulation and regularly planted around town, so it's healthy-ish for him. Got himself off heroin by growing peyote for repopulation, not by taking it. He was the only white guy I've ever met that taking peyote would be perfectly ethical, but still didn't do it
It's not hard to be respectful. Especially when San Pedros are legal and extremely easy to get.
tacit attempts at virtue-blackmailing
this redditor has no concept of shame left
The prevailing attitude looks to be “Its there, so I i am entitled to plunder it”
Isn't that just the cracker ethos writ large?
yep most white leftist feel the same way on this too, if you try to tell them they cant do something they will scream and cry and call you a racist. i was just thinking yesterday that its only a matter of time before white leftist demand to use racial slurs in the name of equality. wait i just remembered zizek exist and is popular.
Who says it's open land, mother fucker, who?
I read the original article and the only thing I have against it is the anti-synthetic peyote stance they have. I get it's a sacred plant but if the option is people foraging it to extinction or letting them have a lab grown version then just let them make it in the lab. As much as I support indigenous folks in their anti-crakkker stance they don't have the right to the molecule itself especially if it isn't derived from peyote.
I assume that's the point of the first comment. Not "Let me forage this plant to extinction" but "If you say I can't have a synthetic version and I can't forage then what do you want me to do?" Just let them have the lab-grown stuff and keep the plants yourself. Less foraging, psych folks get their trips, everyone's happy.
Ok, if you want to have the cultural experience, then fucking do so like many Western defectors to First Nations did.
Go through all the rituals that a person of that actual culture would, learn the language, immerse yourself for decades, and then, maybe, you can have the treat plant.
Want this guy to get so high his one brain cell pops, bizarre way to talk about things
Treat piggy wants the peyote!
I don't think people should be fucking with these psychedelic alkaloids for recreational purposes, many of them result in dangerously high blood pressures.
Say no to drugs, Hexbear. This is your brain on stolen peyote.
