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CMV: As an Arab, Im not voting for biden anymore.

I am a long term lurker, but I wanted to share my thought about all the hype suourding 'a no-vote for Biden means a vote for Trump'. The reason I won't be voting for Joe Biden is his blind and ultimate loyalty to Israel. I understand this is highly sensitive and controversial. I am an average Arab American with no expertise in politics, military, media, writing, or technology. Forgive me if I say something dumb. I am not alone in my decision to not vote for Joe Biden, so many Muslims, Arabs, and young people have started to call him Genocide Joe. This is not a simple issue, and I am not a single-issue voter, but I cannot ignore the atrocities committed by the Israeli government that are ignored by Biden, his administration, and other dems in Gaza. I have nothing against Jews and Israel, and I respect their right to exist and coexist peacefully. However, I strongly condemn the ongoing ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, which Biden supports financially and militarily.

One of the main reasons I am not voting for Biden is his hypocrisy and double standards on human rights. He was rightfully quick to condemn Russia for its aggression in Ukraine. However, he turned a blind eye to the much worse and documented violence against civilians, journalists, health workers, UN workers, and religious minorities in Gaza. He ignored the use of white phosphorus, a banned chemical weapon, and the bombing of schools, UN shelters, hospitals, mosques, churches, and safe passages. He also ignored the worldwide and domestic calls for a ceasefire, and vetoed the UN Security Council resolution that demanded an end to the hostilities and additionally repeatedly affirmed himself as a zionist. Not only that, but he even gave the green light to Israel to continue the destruction of life and property in Gaza, by approving and sending many more and weapons and ammunition.

Another reason I am not voting for Biden is his indifference and complicity in the increased settlers’ violence against Palestinians in the West Bank. Innocent Palestinians are being literally murdered, evicted, and harassed by extremist settlers, who are backed by the Israeli army and government. Biden has done nothing to stop or prevent these crimes, or to hold the perpetrators accountable. He has also failed to support the legitimate rights and aspirations of the Palestinian people, such as self-determination, statehood, and sovereignty. He has sided with Israel on every major issue.

Biden lacks moral courage and political will to stand for justice and peace. They need to do something, but they are afraid of the powerful pro-Israel lobby and the electoral consequences. They value their own power and interests more than the lives and dignity of millions of oppressed and suffering people. Likewise, they are willing to sacrifice the principles and values that they claim to uphold and defend, such as democracy, human rights, and international law. They are also betraying the trust and support of millions of Americans, especially Muslims, Arabs, young people and even thousands of American Jews, who voted for them in the hope of change and progress and live in battle ground states.

In conclusion, I voted for him in 2020, but have decided not to vote for Joe Biden, because I cannot support a candidate who is complicit in the genocide of Palestinians, who is hypocritical and indifferent to their plight, and who is cowardly and selfish in his policies. I am not alone in this decision, and I am not voting for Trump or the Republicans either. And yes, Trump and the republicans are a lot worse for the Palestinians, but at least they are honest and open about it. In comparison, Dems are wolf in sheep's clothing. I hope that Biden and the Democrats lose the election and learn from their mistakes. I hope that they will realize that they cannot ignore or alienate their constituents, especially the minorities and young people, who have legitimate grievances and demands.

Edit: I under that the republicans and trump are worse. But realistically for palestinians, they are the same. How is Biden legitimately different from trump? He is sending more arms and missiles that will be dropped on palestinian children. He is also trying to send navy to Yemen since they are stopping ships from getting into israel until food and medicine can enter. Biden is willing to essentially go to war on Israelis behalf.

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[–] MayoPete@hexbear.net 152 points 10 months ago (14 children)

Young people often lack the emotional maturity, experience, and appreciation for nuance and complexity that allows more mature people to see the value in choosing the lesser of evils. Young people are attracted to the idea of acting on principles. It makes them feel good.

FUCK these people and FUCK all these shitty brainwashed Dems. Soulless freaks the lot of em

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 89 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Young people are attracted to the idea of acting on principles. It makes them feel good.

There's literally bombs being dropped on Gazan youth; would the Gazan youth recommend Arab Americans also vote for Biden? If not, is it because acting on principle would make them feel good?

This is like that comic page someone uploaded where a (mouse) parent sees their kid crying over the dead in a bombed hospital and he dismisses it by saying it had radical Islam, and when the kid is still sad about it the parents are confused and claim that that generation weird.

[–] the_itsb@hexbear.net 85 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I solemnly swear to never grow out of my principles.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 47 points 10 months ago (3 children)

What does such a person grow into?

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 43 points 10 months ago

A politician

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[–] Frank@hexbear.net 79 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Nuance! Complexity! The reasons why Joe has been baying for Palestinian blood for decades are nuanced. The reasons why we have to support the extermination of an entire people and there are no alternatives are complicated! You just need to be mature enough to see that exterminating 2 million people and bulldozing their graves is the lesser evil!

What do you even do with people like this?

[–] GnastyGnuts@hexbear.net 70 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That comment embodies the essence of modern liberalism:

  • condescendingly gesturing at "nuance" and "complexity" to hand-wave any criticism ("you just don't get it!")

  • infantilizing the critic by suggesting that having empty principles that you don't act on is a sign of maturity rather than weakness and moral inferiority

  • pretending that their betters are actually just doing things to feel good about themselves, which is also an example of projection since liberals goddamn love performative useless bullshit that makes them feel like they've done something

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[–] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 65 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Listen kiddo, maybe once you've become a grown up white person you'll understand how the Real World works

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[–] Praksis2nd@hexbear.net 61 points 10 months ago (1 children)

liberals fucking love to infantilize people and it seems to not interest them that makes you pretty fucking hated, especially if your grievances are entirely valid!

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[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 52 points 10 months ago

Bill Maher the redditor.

[–] MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml 51 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It doesn't matter how old I get, they never stop saying this shit, they just shuffle the words around to make them "age appropriate."

The people who say this are always spineless and unprincipled. Their cravens who desperately cling to the status quo because they can't bear discomfort and only care to reap the benefits of their undeserved privilege.

FUCK these people.

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[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 46 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What the an a person act on if not principles? Principles are defined by action.

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[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 38 points 10 months ago

The lesser evil right now is Unlimited Central Park

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[–] Krause@lemmygrad.ml 142 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Joe Biden, famously, pulled Netanyahu aside when he was VP and scolded him, telling him that he was basically his only friend and that Americans generally detested him and he was an embarrassment to the Israeli people.

wow, he heckin SCOLDED him while sending billions in military aid! maybe-later-kiddo

fuck liberals, fuck liberals and fuck liberals

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 73 points 10 months ago

Words not deeds sweaty.

This is all kind liberating though. Now that libs are loudly screaming that they want other people sacrificed in exchange for a promise of safety the democrats haven't even made their real values and identity are wonderfully clarified.

[–] Crowtee_Robot@hexbear.net 131 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Voting is public transportation. You're getting on the bus that goes as close to your destinations as possible. That's it.

LMAO. When you're so wedded to the status quo that you can't even imagine public transportation being something other than a grudging necessity.

[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 80 points 10 months ago (2 children)

except with public transport you get to walk to your destination. with Brandon they drop you off in a void and if you walk off you die.

[–] Crowtee_Robot@hexbear.net 65 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And when the next bus comes they yell at you get back on again.

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[–] Frank@hexbear.net 45 points 10 months ago

I'm only taking the bus as far as 5th and exterminating an entire ethnocultural group in the name of fascism.

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[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 111 points 10 months ago (9 children)

If Trump is so dire and Americans elect him because some Americans had the temerity to stand against genocide the USA deserves another round of Trump. If some rich awful piece of wannabe mafioso shit like Trump can boondoggle institutions and get elected despite his litany of sins the USA deserves fucking Trump. If this wretched diseased ship of empire can't find a better port in a fascist storm well I can't give another explanation except we fucking had it coming.

[–] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 81 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Trump legit has a chance now because Biden can't stop himself from supporting genocide. And Dems immediately tried to block him from running. This is like provoking the Republic Victim Complex by smashing the hive on your head.

[–] Vampire@hexbear.net 42 points 10 months ago (2 children)

[USA support for Israel] has nothing to do with [the two-party circus there]

Whatever the election results, the policy towards Israel remains the same.

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[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 51 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Seriously if liberals are so goddamn concerned maybe they should do literally anything to not loose the easiest election of a lifetime for the second time in 10 years.

Maybe they should run somebody that 70% of democrats dont say they don't want to vote for, who tells people they aren't going to do what they want, and apparently that's your fault if you don't support rhe guy who says you won't do what you want and isn't going to change that.

Why is it always on voters, almost exclusively progressives, to.vote for shitty candidates that tell them to fuck off and never on candidates to not be terrible and unelectable.

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[–] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 100 points 10 months ago (4 children)

So you care more about honesty then limiting "genocide"?

and here we see the normal redditor in their natural habitat. LIMITING GENOCIDE??? What FUCKING genocide is Genocide Joe limiting, exactly?!! Also those fucking quotation marks qin-shi-huangdi-fireball

"buh buh trump would be worse"

yeah ok, maybe get a candidate that doesnt want to support genocide then, i though 'murica was the greatest democracy or whatever

[–] kot@hexbear.net 37 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

LIMITING GENOCIDE???

Israelis get to do a moderate amount of genocide under Joe Bidet. What more could you looney lefties want?

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[–] RedQuestionAsker2@hexbear.net 99 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This person is actually going easy on Joe. Such restraint. And it still made people freak

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[–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 92 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Up in the top comment, someone says Israelis committing genocide is Hamas' fault then someone else says Hamas is committing genocide. Feddit always disappoints.

[–] the_kid@hexbear.net 76 points 10 months ago (2 children)

this is actually Hamas' fault, because they should have known that Israel would respond with genocide

[–] Lerios@hexbear.net 45 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

i mean, you say that like its absurd but that is something i've heard unironically from multiple people irl doomjak

[–] Rod_Blagojevic@hexbear.net 46 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Blaming victims for provoking a violent retaliation is normal American political rhetoric.

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[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 91 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I am not alone in my decision to not vote for Joe Biden, so many Muslims, Arabs, and young people have started to call him Genocide Joe

@mkultrawide@hexbear.net

you have started a movement

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[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 89 points 10 months ago (2 children)

We should reach out to that Arab redditer and offer him asylum and hexbear citizenship

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[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 86 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I wonder how long those libs were waiting for the opportunity to scold an Arab American they knew wouldn't vote for Biden because of this.

[–] footfaults@hexbear.net 76 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

They got angry and removed the post because "it broke the rules"

[–] footfaults@hexbear.net 80 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Lol the mods on reddit-logo removed it

Your submission has been removed for breaking Rule B:

You must personally hold the view and demonstrate that you are open to it changing. A post cannot be on behalf of others, playing devil's advocate, or 'soapboxing'. See the wiki page for more information.

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 100 points 10 months ago

You must personally hold the view and demonstrate that you are open to it changing.

the moderators can just subjectively decide that anything fails to meet that second criteria whenever a user fails to become convinced of a shitty opinion. tails-trolled

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 85 points 10 months ago

So they admit they can't come up with a good argument that could change this person's mind

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 54 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 79 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Reddit really is the worst site on the internet

Even the comments on Pierce fucking Morgan's youtube channel are better than this shit

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[–] Des@hexbear.net 63 points 10 months ago

hasbara all up in those comments but it's reddit-logo

[–] windowlicker@hexbear.net 63 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Biden supports a two state solution, Trump supports a one state solution. If you want peace between Palestine and Israel you would vote Biden. If you want war, feel free not to.

smuglord "biden is doing genocide, but have you considered trump will do genocide too? so naturally, to stop genocide, we must vote for biden"

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[–] TheGamingLuddite@hexbear.net 53 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Fun game is to go into the comments and click on the most vile ones, then check the post histories.

Found one posting about luxury whiskey in between borderline slurs directed at gazans, can you imagine? This is what the imperial core turns human beings into, just vile, soulless husks completely devoid of empathy or compassion, shambling about the earth in search of boutique goods and scolding anyone who objects to this pointlessly cruel bloodletting. No amount of bombing could ever dehumanize Gaza as thoroughly as access to American prosperity has dehumanized these people.

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[–] Hexbear2@hexbear.net 39 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (8 children)

As a leftist, after reviewing decades of Biden's career, vs Trump's, I genuinely believed Trump was less bad than Biden. Not that I voted for either of them, rather, just that Biden is in fact that bad. He's everything that your boomer uncle believed about Jimmy Carter to be true.

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