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[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 103 points 10 months ago (2 children)

To be fair he abandoned them first

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 83 points 10 months ago

You can't abandon a group you were never with in the first place

[–] nothx@hexbear.net 41 points 10 months ago

They voted for him, he won, end of transaction.

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 99 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Democrats read news like this and instead of just tossing people some peanuts to keep the circus running, they become angry and shocked that people are upset the person they voted for won’t help them.

[–] Xavienth@lemmygrad.ml 50 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

And then they fucking scold you for their own inaction. "Why aren't you voting for me even though I did nothing? Do you want to hand Trump the presidency on a silver platter?"

[–] roux@hexbear.net 47 points 10 months ago (9 children)

People are so delusional. When Trump won, my neighbor told me that that Trump was gonna "fix healthcare". When Biden won, a co-worker told me Biden was gonna fix student loan debt.

[–] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 24 points 10 months ago (1 children)

the idea that any president would do anything to help regular people is fucking hilarious

Death to America

[–] roux@hexbear.net 15 points 10 months ago

Agree to both statements.

Like I wasn't even trying to be leftybro in either situation but holy shit the fact that either situations had doughy eyed people waxing poetic about the ruling class even considering helping us pesants is just pure comedy.

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[–] M68040@hexbear.net 32 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's fucked in particular because even Richard Nixon - a perennial on my shit-list - got that you had to make some concessions sometimes.

[–] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 15 points 10 months ago

And H W strong armed Israel into a ceasefire. The Overton window is so fucked in America these days it’s not even ironically funny.

[–] Kaplya@hexbear.net 29 points 10 months ago

I have said before, the system is designed to punish voters who even dare to think about stepping out of line.

It’s going to be “so you really want to throw tantrum and risk having a Republican elected huh? Well here you go, enjoy 4 years of conservative presidency! Let’s see how much you’re gonna regret when it happens. All you minorities who didn’t vote for us, enjoy the punishment! We’ll see you in 4 years’ time when you finally crawl back to us to beg for mercy. Then we’ll reconsider if we’ll change our stance about your welfare.”

The two party system is designed to work in such synergistic fashion to make sure that American democracy functions as smoothly as it could.

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 62 points 10 months ago

We keep doing things that alienate our voters, so why do they keep not voting for us!?

[–] Greenleaf@hexbear.net 58 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

In a new USA TODAY/Suffolk University Poll, Biden's failure to consolidate support in key parts of the coalition that elected him in 2020 has left him narrowly trailing Trump, the likely Republican nominee, 39%-37%; 17% support an unnamed third-party candidate.

The possible good news for the president is that much of the support he needs to rebuild has drifted to third-party candidates, not into the camp of his likely opponent. Twenty percent of Hispanic and Black voters, and 21% of young voters, now say they'll back someone other than the two main contenders.

I'm not going to read too much into any one poll, but these results are genuinely surprising to me. This shows there is a sizeable desire among young people and black and hispanic voters for someone presumably to the left of Biden, and they may be willing to put their money where their mouth is and actually vote for Cornel West or Claudia de la Cruz. Although the article says RFK Jr is pretty popular, so idk.

A candidate or candidates to the left of Biden that liberals believe "spoil" the election and causes them to lose would at first cause them punch left like E. Honda's Hundred Hand Slap... but in the end it would show that there are plenty of people to the left of the Democrats who aren't going to play ball anymore, so the Dems can either make actual concessions or keep losing.

[–] Kaplya@hexbear.net 62 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

The donors want Biden, that’s all that matters.

Despite everything we dunk on Biden here, he has done an exceptional job in making the lines going up for every segment of the bourgeois class, from the oil and gas industry, to the military industrial complex, to the financial sector. S&P 500 is now 50% (!!) higher than the highest point under Trump’s presidency. Banks and credit institutions are now raking in more profit than ever from penalties and interest payments from the Fed rate hikes.

Biden is a great president because of that. Not to you, but to them. Even if Biden loses, as long as the Democratic Party continues to demonstrate their loyalty to the wealthy donor class, they will continue to get the money.

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 41 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I know people hate to hear this, but Biden has also secured American hegemony for the short term. The war in Ukraine has cut off the EU from Russia both in terms of international relations and natural resources (nordstream anyone) and got Europe firmly back into the US fold for the foreseeable future. The US has won its inter imperial rivalry with Western and Central Europe, and Japan is a non factor at this point in time. The stage is set for the next action, a united front of the imperialist triad (US, EU and Japan, along with their vassals) to take on China.

All this sucks terribly for the people of the world, but is great for the dogs and stooges of the US empire. They can sit comfortably atop their mountain of skulls, for now.

[–] xj9@hexbear.net 32 points 10 months ago

I don't think the Hegemony is as secure as it seems. Did you see how that "Operation Prosperity Guardian" thing went? From my perspective, the US has continually been losing face on the international stage for a while now. While I highly doubt that convicting the US and Israel of genocide will have much of an enforceable outcome, they are both deeply reliant on global trade which is very easy to disrupt (see Yemen vs. Israel rn). Internally Empire faces widespread dissatisfaction, economic struggles for the lower class, dwindling military recruitment, and is pretty much entirely reliant on "developing countries, including China" for manufacturing. They are clearly trying to posture as if all this is business as usual, but I'm not sure everyone is convinced.

That said, I could be way off and this is just wishful thinking.

[–] Tunnelvision@hexbear.net 24 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Japan recently received a huge sum of money to buy western weapons. Like overnight became the largest army in terms of military budget in the region.

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 24 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I mean "non factor" as in opposing American interests. Japan obviously plays a huge role in the geopolitics of the region.

[–] Tunnelvision@hexbear.net 15 points 10 months ago

Oh I getcha my bad. Yeah Japan is just another dog of US imperialism.

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 24 points 10 months ago

The RFK Jr guy probably over 15% lmao. The power of a surname everyone (and half a century of shitty pop history about JFK).

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 51 points 10 months ago (2 children)

This country has only two responses to genocide: Apathy and Enthusiasm

So the poll results have to be driven by something else, my money is on student debt payments which began back in October

Which means the poll results are shallow and ephemeral and likely to shift back when the media begins its "vote blue no matter who" push

As always nothing has changed, the vast majority of the working class rightfully remain estranged from electoralism, while the people who do vote remain middle class freaks who will be whipped back into line the minute a DNC aligned influencer calls them Kremlin agents

[–] Mokey@hexbear.net 21 points 10 months ago

Polls mean nothing to me

[–] CrimsonSage@hexbear.net 12 points 10 months ago

I dunno how outcry against bidens genocide has been pretty vocal compared to past us genocides.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 34 points 10 months ago

We've tried nothing etc etc

[–] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 10 months ago (1 children)

coalition? uhhh what coalition?

[–] Beaver@hexbear.net 27 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

For real, how can you be "part of a coalition" if no-one from that coalition has tried to reach out or helped you?

[–] BoxedFenders@hexbear.net 25 points 10 months ago

Democrats lazily characterize Republicans as the party for rich white males, therefore everyone else should come to their tent by default. As if there is any fundamental difference between the two beyond quibbling over percentages on a budget review.

[–] lemmyseizethemeans@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 10 months ago (3 children)

He's gonna drop. They will run Gavin.

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 27 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Aren't the first primaries within the next few weeks? They would have done it by now if he was dropping out.

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 35 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They don't actually have an obligation to honor or even run the primaries

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 20 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Of course, but if you're going to pull a switcheroo you want to give it a veneer of legitimacy.

[–] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 10 months ago

i feel like they'll pull the rug when there is almost no time left and the urgency of the situation will plow voters into voting for Newsom with very little of his dirt being aired

[–] pumpchilienthusiast@hexbear.net 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You mean like in 2020 primaries?

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 9 points 10 months ago

Yes, exactly. They didn't remove Bernie from the options and declare Biden the nominee, they coordinated a drop out/endorsement from all the candidates who would take votes from Biden and then pushed him as the "responsible" option though the remainder of the primaries.

Basically, they got people to actually vote for him in the primaries via behind the scenes ratfucking. They didn't just say "surprise!" at the convention.

[–] CrimsonSage@hexbear.net 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yeah but if thet do that then they might win and not be able to use the Republicans to discipline their base. That will teach the rabble for being ungrateful and antisemitic!

[–] Poison_Ivy@hexbear.net 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Gruesome Gavin should be more focused on forming the California Caliphate and blowing up the mountain passes into the Forbidden West from the savages in the Savage East rather than wasting time on frivolous “elections”

[–] Beaver@hexbear.net 18 points 10 months ago

I am Governor Gavin Newsom

My hair is slick and my aura gruesome

Soon, I will be president

I will command all of you

Your kids will be woke in school

I will be Führer one day

California über alles

[–] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 10 months ago

imo it is inevitable that Biden will be removed from the race one way or another

[–] D61@hexbear.net 28 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I mean, when push comes to shove, enough bodies in swing states are going to hold their nose and vote for Biden just because of the threat of Trump to keep the race close.

I do wonder if enough Republican voters will stay at home because they're kinda tired of Trump and his shenanigans or will they embrace their Id and vote Trump for no other reasons than to make the libs cry... thonk

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

What if it isn't Trump? That is actually my biggest concern. Most of the Republican party agenda is just as bad as Trump would do, they are just smart enough to not say the quiet parts out loud.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 24 points 10 months ago (6 children)
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[–] BoxedFenders@hexbear.net 16 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Those mythical principled Republicans who will refuse to vote Trump are outnumbered by orders of magnitude by the MAGA faithful who will ONLY vote for Trump.

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[–] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

donny t rides again

Death to America

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