What happens when you like all three?
Has my brain been consumed by treats? 
If you like all three you have to settle arguments between Battlestar Galactica, Farscape, and Bablyon 5 fans.
I like BSG and Bab 5 too
Oh no.
Farscape conspicuously missing
And Andromeda, which is exactly as it should be. FUCK YOU KEVIN SORBO YOU RIGHT-WING PIECE OF SHIT
my favorite "star trek v star wars" fanfic i ever read was actually really fair and obviously written by a fan of both star franchises (or stargate lol)
i have no idea what it was called. but it acknowledged the strengths and weaknesses each would have an created a neat scenario that resulted in a plausible "worlds collide" event that in itself was very star trek (dimensional rift kind of thing).
it was basically Empire v Federation. the Empire blew up Mars. hyperspace was insanely fast and gave the star destroyers a massive advantage but federation ships were packing incredible firepower and maneuverability. there were good stakes and it was fun.
my only bias was enjoying space fascists eventually get fucked up by plucky inventive space communists once they realized they were basically fighting the equivalent of the "coast guard".
once they realized they were basically fighting the equivalent of the "coast guard".
can you elaborate on this please?
Starfleet ships are not, by and large, warships. Smacking around a California class doesn't necessarily mean anything about your chances against a Defiant class or an Akira class
You all just ignore the carnifex in the room being when warhammer fans come in into that
intentionally poking the beehive by saying a Gundam could beat Luke Skywalker
Only if a newtype was piloting it.
does 40k have skaven? I'm laughing at the thought of the Borg assimilating a rat only to discover too late that they're carrying the plague.
40k skaven equivalent are the imperium
Fortunately no, best decision lore-wise. Hrud are the very loose analogue of skaven in 40k, but they don't get even 1/10000 of attention and fashdom obnoxiousness.
I just like funny rats with funny guns, I didn’t know the fash loved them 
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The Hrud are neat too though
Skaven are ancaps, and even fictional ancaps are highly disgusting, though to be fair some lefty players are not lost on this fact and some good content is produced because of that. Unfortunately, skaven are the chosen faction of a lot of absolute worst insufferable dregs among the fashdom due to overlapping of nazi and libertarian ideas.
Hrud are pretty cool, one of the not many factions in 40k which aren't the one time disposable xenos and are still really alien because they don't even really understand material reality, unfortunately their innate powers make them a real pest.
Oh yeah the skaven are possibly the most evil and deplorable faction in fantasy/AoS and that’s saying something. I just find them so funny and endearing ngl; they’re little rats with no regard for the value of ethics, safety, morals, hygiene, or life in general, with the most cartoonishly evil mad scientist aesthetic you’ve ever seen. They are absolutely not to be taken seriously, and the thought of some fans looking on the skaven in any sort of serious positive light is……..
Given it’s the Warhammer fandom I really shouldn’t be surprised though
40k doesn't have Skaven.
Which is just what the Great Horned Rat wants you think, yes-yes!
Everyone is gangsta until the Culture shows up.
Also, as a Warhammer fan I think Warhammer fans very consistently overestimate the power level of their own setting. Galaxy-scale interstellar travel taking many years and being extremely unreliable is a huge detriment, not to mention the inate problems of interstellar communication via the dreams of tortured psykers conveyed through the medium of Hell.
Wouldn't the Borg shields hold against the Death Star? Then again, the Death Stars cannon blows up planets so... yeah it would probably nail one Borg Cube, the Borg would adapt and then curb stomp the Death Star.
i am entertained by both of the universes, but the federation of Star Trek just plain has superior technology by several orders of magnitude. the federation inadvertently creates planet and solar system destroying materials fairly routinely that generally are meant to have some higher scientific purpose, but could 100% be weaponized... as is often the threat when some antagonist finds out about them so their development is tightly controlled.
those two jumped into my mind first, but i'm sure every season of TOS and TNG have some doomsday b.s.
meanwhile, the death star took like generations of theorizing and development by like the smartest guy they could find, a completely unique and entire planet's worth of extremely rare, ancient magic materials, and multiple planets of slave labor to make a single doomsday weapon.
the regular armaments the federation tools around with are basically like the space faring equivalent of what the Garda Síochána roll around with in Ireland, because the whole point is find diplomatic solutions to every conflict and not be a cause for escalation. so like space pepper spray, space batons, and space handcuffs. none of that stuff did anything to the borg except when the borg attacked earth and they put the entire defensive armada on it. generally, they always ended up using some weird ad hoc move like hijacking the hive consciousness or whatever. the borg cubes could travel at warp speeds faster than the flagship of the federation.
there is absolutely no chance "hyperspace" is comparable to Star Trek warp propulsion, because in ST they can use it to do time travel.
star wars fandom weirdos usually try to insist that the size of star wars crafts is somehow correlated with their capability. to me, the imperial fleet is more like the absurd dreadnoughts of the late 19th and early 20th century, that were these relics of a mindset that was obsessed with having the biggest guns firing the biggest shells since that was the big scary technology: the ability to fire a giant shell from far away. in star wars every weapon is basically a laser beam and the variability is scale. even the capital ships and death star are just firing really huge lasers. their whole power is based around their unchallenged control of key areas. in Andor it's characterized as a lazy regime that invites rebellion because it is too arrogant to imagine being opposed.
in ST they are always reprograming torpedos and probes to deliver weird ass payloads of bizarre energy, nanite materials or biologicals. the technology and mindset of the star wars deal always felt like it would have been part of the Eugenics Wars.... some supremacist bozos running around doing lots of genocide and slaughtering, but essentially primitive and limited compared to what the federation science would develop centuries later, after the dark ages.
if there were an honest Borg Cube vs. Death Star, the death star wouldn't even understand what the cube was and be paralyzed by incomprehension when it just sort of drifted there and didn't open fire, engage, or even seem to respond. a handful of drones would be "captured" and brought on board to clumsily interrogate, resulting in the entire station being assimilated in like 36 hours lol. the only weird counter-shit SW has is their space wizards and i bet like one space wizard could kill like 3 borg before the borg would adapt and then assimilate the wizard. then there's Borg Space Wizards around, fuckin' shit up. that would be the most interesting legacy of Borg Cube vs. Moon Laser Base 1969.
then there's Borg Space Wizards around, fuckin' shit up.
This would actually be the interesting part of mashing the two worlds together.
Because the force is inherently non-scientific, it would be interesting to see what an assimilated force user might do. Does the Borg retain the ability to use it? Is it lost? Do dark and light force users react the same way?
Does the force gain sentience, essentially using the Borg as it's limbic system? Does the federation start to develop ForceTech and scientize humanity's relationship with the force?
The force is either consciousness interacting either the fundamental universe at a Quantum level. Or as some star wars stories would have it the force is a lovecraftian artificial intelegence that exists in somekind of subspace that can interact in the universe through a few specific types of exotic paracite. Midiclorians for example. It is unclear which was ment to be the real story or of it matters.
I’m not sure how the Borg assimilates, but unless it can account for an actual mystical property of soul, it would get super fucking weird. I don’t even know how it would go, it would just be incomprehensible.
Nano-midiclorians
The Xindi made a planet killer way back in the 2150s, and the one man crew prototype dug a trench from Florida to Venezuela in seconds. That technology is considered primitive by the time the Borg show up.
I don’t know fuck all about Star Trek but I don’t agree with them being stunned in awe and confusion. These are the close-minded dogs of the Empire, the purest and most heartless sociopaths they could find. I think they might go for the kill just because they don’t know what it is. The Stargate guild had the correct opinion, I think, unless Borg Cubes can withstand the force necessary to destroy an entire planet.
i bet like one space wizard could kill like 3 borg
Counterpoint: Jedi mind trick. Aren’t the borg a hive mind? Could a single mind trick temporarily stun the entire hive, if only once? Would it even bother to adapt if the Jedi that does it doesn’t take the opportunity to do anything hostile? Seems dumb not to, but then, would they be able to without sacrificing visual or auditory processing?
mind trick only works on weak minded individuals. Very unlikely it works on a vast and sophisticated hivemind with a powerful will
Oh, duh. This is where I would bring up the insane bullshit anime tier feats some Jedi or force entities have done in comics or were implied to have done in shows, but I don’t think it’s reasonable to bring that stuff in, and I don’t know much about it.
Also, people don't realize how big the ships of the Federation and their peer civilizations are. The baseline Star Destroyer is 1 km long. A Romulan D'deridex class warbird is 1.3 km long. A Borg cube is 3 km on a side. Yes, the Empire makes much bigger ships than that, culminating in the Death Star, but they always seem to be... more of the same?
Unless the Star Wars galaxy is very small, hyperspace is much faster than normal warp, maybe faster than proto-warp or turn-you-into-salamanders transwarp, maybe comparable to Borg transwarp conduits. But as far as I know, Star Wars ships can't maneuver or fight in hyperspace, and don't have FTL sensors. Which would mean no defense against the Picard Maneuver - except Force precognition. Hope they have Sith tactical officers on every Star Destroyer.
Yeah I don't really know any Star Trek but this feels like it should be an easy question. Planet busting is a pretty universal power scaling measurement, can a borg cube take a planet buster? If so, borg cube wins.
I don't think so, borg shields had adaptive functions which worked against weapons based more on clever manipulation of energy than on the volume of energy. Death Star was just emitting enough of the shit to completely smash Earth-size planet not even into pieces but into dust (planetary scale dust that is) in split second. Star Trek pretend to not entirely ignore physics so that would be most likely way more then enough to destroy any vessel of borg, adaptation or not.
Now, once you throw a couple of Pegasus-galaxy replicator frigates into the mix, those little bastards could infiltrate both the cube and the Death Star. But if the Ori show up with their ascended Ancient weaponry, fuhgeddaboudit. Everyone's all so worried about Butlerian Jihad that they forget about Morena Baccarin Jihad.
On a sidenote, does anybody know where I can get ahold of an Ark of Truth so that I can load it up with Yellow Parenti?
Nah, that's silly
The Death Star is 80,000 times larger than a Borg Cube and can blow up an entire planet.
Obviously anything's possible with some sneaky-sneaky assimilation growing out of control. But in terms of an actual ship to ship fight, come on, your body is about 80,000 times larger than a gnat.
I get second hand embarrassment from people saying stuff like that. Literally if I asked a Marvel fan: Who would win, the entire Marvel Cinematic Universe, or the titular character from my book, "Guy Who Automatically Wins Every Fight, Magically, Without Even Trying", like half of people would say my book sucks and so logically, the Hulk would punch him really hard, or whatever. It's so dumb.
Like no, it literally does not matter how shitty you think this book is, it's literally canon that your favorite super hero can lose, and canon that mine can't. If you fail at objectivity that hard why even bother talking about anything jesus christ
(Yes this is about Superman)
this is about Superman
Are there people who think Superman can beat One Punch Man or Goku or something?
The Federation pretending to not be an empire LMAO.
janeway did voyager
When you're just an asshole in a remote sector of the galaxy, and have no real systemic power to oppress people.
Wouldn't the Borg transport some of their drones onto the death star and start assimilating the stormtroopers and crew from the inside before their cube got smashed?
I think it really comes down to who strikes first. Both sides have preemptive abilities that would bag them a quick victory if the other side is oblivious.
nuance has no place in nerd discussion, all fights are determined purely by 'combat stats' as defined by ad hoc online nerd arguments based on specious examples of deus ex machina from the combatants respective canons
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