Cali-Texas and big florida fighting the feds over who gets to be the true Heir of Hitler while the northwest has a Maoist Insurgency lol 
What making a film about a second American civil war while avoiding politics does to a worldbuilding
Love how in every fantasy about the US splitting apart states continue to use their existing borders.
Also shouldn't this be Civil War 2? Since there was already the first one a while back
Since there was already the first one a while back
The first one only ended on paper, it has been a "cold" civil war since then. I am pretty certain it will be heating up again some time soon.
Expectation: Pacific NW Maoist insurgency.
Reality: Pacific NW fascists trying to tiptoe around the word "Volk".
I fucking detest these people that want civil war. Like, how do you dare fantasize about this shit? Their little murder fantasy is so important to them that it should uproot and destroy the lives of everyone else.
The only upside to another American civil war is that its capacity for imperialism would be decimated. The entire capitalist world order would fall apart.
The real downside for the rest of the world is without a doubt a second US civil war will result in minimum a few hundred nuclear weapons being detonated. Civil wars are one of the most brutal and nasty forms of warfare where some of the worst crimes against humanity regularly are played out.
Due to the nature of the US nuclear triad all sides of a second US civil war will end up with hundreds of nuclear warheads. Washington state has the US Navy nuclear weapons for the Pacific and Virginia state has the nuclear weapons for the Atlantic. States in the middle of the nation like Montana and the Dakotas have the ICBM nuclear weapons. California and Nebraska have large numbers of US Air Force nuclear weapons with the rest of the Air Force nuclear weapons being kept at dozens of US Air Force bases around the globe. All of the officially inactive but still functional nuclear warheads, numbering in the thousands, are stored in underground vaults at the PanTex facility in Texas.
I was going to say that there could be some theoretical match up that would be unlikely to use nukes... But the only reasonable ones are:
And being a civil war where the other side has access nuclear weapons, it will result in nuclear retaliation. When a crime on the scale of nuclear weapon deployment is committed, it has to be responded to with nuclear retaliation against the parties responsible. It's the problem with weapons like nuclear warheads that can wipe entire cities off the map in an instance, in that instance a million plus innocent people die and create ten million plus grief filled loved ones demanding swift revenge.
So if the CHUDs nuke the liberal cities, it will result in a nuclear carpet bombing of key rural areas and most of the southern United States. If it is the feds using nukes to put down some kind of successful left-wing uprising, it will result in at minimum Washington DC, Maryland, Virginia, and the Carolinas being wiped off the map in retaliation with a hundred or so nuclear weapons.
This is a great point. Regardless of the outcome, a great deal if the global south would more than likely become a power vacuum and the "new" United States wouldn't have nearly the leverage it did before.
As horrific is the first American Civil War was, the US was flexing its imperial muscle 20 years after hostilities ended.
A Civil war would only militarize American society, it might weaken the Empire in the short term but very soon the rest of the world would feel the consequences of an American society that had been re-oriented for war instead of treats.
The US recovered due to the war being short and there being a full Northern victory for reunification, with the north increasing its industrial capacity in the process. Industrial capacity was leveraged to create systems of unequal exchange in America's new colonies, particularly the Philippines and much of Latin America.
We live under neoliberal capitalism where industrial capacity is already developed in other countries and they wouldn't just wait for the US to reunite, if it ever did. They would construct their own systems at the expense of the US order. The empire would be headless and the entire rest of the planet would act accordingly. Sure, the former US would still make weapons, weapons to kill each other with while they blow through stockpiles and can no longer afford imported materials. But the US isn't going to reindustrialize in five years, it has already lost industrial advantage, it only has financial and military power that would be thrown into internal chaos.
The rest of the world would reel from the collapse of the US, trying to find footing with the loss of the current order. Financial systems, food systems, energy would all change overnight. They'd build their own alternatives out of necessity and that means building alternate power structures. Everything would get worse (for years) but the balance would change.
A revolution is also a civil war, for what it's worth
Putting aside the stupid premise and the toddler level political understanding on display, what fucking genius decided to draw this map in all slightly different shades of green?
Just the dumbest baby-brain idea of a modern civil war. The South is one block, except Texas, SC, and NC for some reason? Why is is called big Florida? California and Texas working together is so bad that I hope it was intentional just to get people talking about the shitty movie. The Maoist insurgency is the PNW and Minnesota, plus a bunch of solidly conservative states? Good old Maoist Mormons.
I hate maps of rebellion in the USA that conforms to state lines
Real rebellions dont respect borders ffs
For reference from an actual civil war, here's a map of Syria's administrative provinces:
Here's the map of controlled territory by factions in 2016, during the height of the civil war:
You can see that state lines make little difference. It's more relevant where the oil fields are, the geographical features (rivers, deserts, mountains, etc) & where the population centers are.
every US state nominally has an army answerable to its state government. it's a bit silly to believe these would be 1:1 in an actual civil war, but there's reason to believe in a higher retention of regional blocs over a free-for-all.
This is true, and to be fair, the Syrian "civil war" wasn't really a civil war. Insurgents flooded in from Iraq, Jordan and Turkey en masse which is why the ISIS/Rebel (same thing really) strongholds and territories are along these borders. Foreign governments like US, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Turkey all poured billions into various terrorist factions, and shipped in heavy weaponry. Russia, Iran, Hezbollah all got involved on the side of Assad.
This only makes me appreciate to implicit world building of the first Mad Max movie even more.
Big Florida is the only thing that makes sense here.
Utah would 100 percent become its own nation. It's kind of a huge part of Mormon folklore/prophecy, that's literally what Mormons mean by Zionism.
let me guess. the new people's army will be some puppet state of evil china or something not a homegrown communist insurgency
Well yeah, I would totally expect any organic insurgency formed by Western leftists to immediately bog down into some pointless infighting about outdoor cats or bed times until whipped into shape by Chinese/Cuban/DPRK instructors and advisors.
Get them off my team
I liked Ex Machina and Annihilation but damn this man is dumb lmao.
This makes no sense, pac nor west is full of nazis and cali and texas would never work together
CA and TX don't even share the same watershed, and hydraulic despotism is the only kind of despotism I can see them agreeing with.
On a very abstract level, I like the idea of a US breakup map that doesn’t just basically come down to a Dem/Rep split or rely heavily on broad stereotypes of people from different states (i.e. treating the South as if only white people exist because that’s how the voting shakes out because voter suppression, gerrymandering, etc). People don’t believe me because “Mormons” and “Sin City”, but in a collapse situation Nevada and Utah would absolutely be together because those states are tied tight economically and with the numbers of transplants in each state from the other. So I like the idea of aligning regions of the US on more material issues.
BUT that isn’t even what this dogshit map is doing, the writers just think they’re being edgy and clever by putting CA and TX together because reasons.
graphic design is my passion
Wow should have consulted people with 10k hours in paradox games to make it good
I honestly think those losers have a better idea of how the cookie would crumble more than this dork.
Like even the nerds that made the hoi4 fallout mod seem to have a better grasp of how shit the u.s would be.
All it would take is an alliance between California and the loyalist states, and the war would be over incredibly quickly.
What a useless graphic.
protracted peoples war from the farming countryside tho 
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The early reviews I read say that the movie is far less about the United States having a civil war and more about what it means to be a journalist during wartime
So it's likely to make the chuds mad it's not about the libs and its likely to make the libs mad that it's not about the chuds
Hmm. I could see that being I guess better than using another country as the setting for misery porn about how sad white professionals are.
northwest has a Maoist Insurgency
Don't let your dreams be memes
Edit: Meanwhile, in reality.
The Northwest Territorial Imperative (often shortened to the Northwest Imperative) was a white separatist idea put forward in the 1970s–80s by white nationalist, white supremacist, white separatist and neo-Nazi groups within the United States.
Finally, Tennessee and North Carolina can return to warring with each other in the heights of the Smokey Mountains
The Northwest on this map aren't the insurgents. We hold state power there and can organize conventional military formations.
The commie insurgents are everywhere else 
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