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[–] Greenleaf@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Reading Losurdo’s Stalin book has opened my eyes to just how horrific things were for black folks from the end of Reconstruction to the start of WWII in particular.

[–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What's the context in which he brings that up?

[–] IzyaKatzmann@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Book was translated and published recently i think

[–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 1 year ago

Yep. The PDF of it is free here: https://www.iskrabooks.org/stalin-history-and-critique

It was done in part by the guy from the Guerilla History podcast.

[–] Greenleaf@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

The book is largely taking claims / slander aimed at the Stalin-era Soviet Union and showing how it was largely untrue but also how things were way worse in the West. I know in one section he brings up how the prison system in the US South in the period I mentioned was pretty much just what anti-communists think the gulags were (and of course mostly it was black men who suffered). I don’t recall the exact context in which Losurdo brings up lynchings, though. I remember the focus was on how white society in the south wholly participated in it, not like it was just isolated incidents of just a few participants (lynchings were advertised in the newspapers in advance and often hundreds or thousands of people would show up).

[–] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

And also that period lasted decades!!! reconstruction was give or take a dozen years

[–] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Would you recommend any other Stalin reading as essential before Losurdo's take?

I haven't read much in detail about Stalin to be honest, but I am wary of starting reading about him with a polemic (but then, all history is polemic - so, idk).

[–] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I actually expected it to be a lot more of a polemic than it was tbh

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

I genuinely think it's better to read that one first. It was revelatory for me.

Otherwise, Getty's Origins of the Great Purges or Furr's Khrushchev Lied.

[–] RION@hexbear.net 48 points 1 year ago (2 children)

sure is a good thing we're in the nice green "progress" part of the timeline instead of the scary red or yellow parts. everything is a-ok clueless

American progressives and not understanding meaning of the word "progress", very iconic duo.

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 45 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Thank your Martin Luther King Jr., Barack Obama, and Joe Biden for officially ending racism

[–] booty@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

Abraham Lincoln officially ended racism when he challenged the CEO of racism to a wrestling match in the year 1346

[–] Angel@hexbear.net 45 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Seeing this as a black person in America invokes a~~n ir~~rational amount of anger within me.

Jesus Christ, what tone deaf motherfucker thought this shit up?

[–] Barx@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

I think basically any liberal would make this graphic

[–] Greenleaf@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

No I’m sure it’s a rational amount…

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

'The Personal Finance Club'

I'm sure they have the solution to every black persons' problems, a masterclass in becoming a multimillionaire!

[–] healthkick@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Missing a red bar from about 1980 to the present labeled “the reaction”

[–] quarrk@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

That started in 1865

[–] Greenleaf@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

1968, Nixon’s election was the reaction.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Researchers at Stanford University and the University of Southern California found that racial segregation in the country’s 100 biggest school districts, which serve the most students of color, has increased by 64 percent since 1988. Economic segregation, or the division between students who receive free or reduced lunch and those who do not, increased by 50 percent since 1991.

Wow that sure is some nice progress you got there

[–] SovietReporter@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can you please link the source?

[–] Greenleaf@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

School busing for the purposes of desegregating school districts was something that developed in the aftermath of the Civil Rights Movement; and white people fucking hated it. They rioted all over but especially in places like Boston. In other parts of the country private evangelical schools (not explicitly segregated but de facto, as these were and still are often nearly 100% white) exploded in popularity.

The courts were able to keep these desegregation programs in place through the 70s and 80s, but the white folks were relentless in trying to get them overturned and by the time you get into the 90s, they had been pretty successful in rolling back this one meager form of progress.

[–] SovietyWoomy@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago

2020-Present: The president is a segregationist, but that doesn't matter because Trump exists.

[–] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 33 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Real question from someone outside US. Why does the "segregation" is not "apartheid"?

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 46 points 1 year ago

Apartheid is an internationally recognized crime against humanity and America never admits to its own crimes against humanity.

[–] git@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago

It’s only apartheid if it’s from South Africa, otherwise it’s sparkling segregation.

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

Huh.....I.....never thought of that; actually yeah, this was apartheid. Miscegenation laws in the mix there too.

[–] Barx@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

Not Dutch enough

[–] Dr_Gabriel_Aby@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

1964-1970 should say progress. Then 1970-2024 should say police wage war against being black in a city.

[–] radiofreeval@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This scaling cannot be right

[–] Thordros@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, it is. I didn't spent more than a minute so it's not pixel perfect, but the scale looks correct!

[–] radiofreeval@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

Weird. I've never had correct scaling fail the vibes check this badly.

[–] mar_k@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

in what way? full scale is over 400 years, 1619 to 1865 is almost 250 of that, 1865 to 1964 is 99 of that, and 1964 to 2024 is 60 of that