I'm struggling to find numbers because Google has been enshittified and will only show me local rental advertising, but, like, if I understand this the cost of food, since Biden took office, is up like 20%, and rent is up ~30%, medicine and childcare are still totally unaffordable, and everything else is much more expensive. Meanwhile wages are up like, idk, 20$ a week or something.

Cause, this all adds up to me as people are drastically poorer than they were four years ago, but the economics perverts on bsky insist people should kiss Biden's shoes because wages are up 4.3% and "The ecnonomy is good."

Can someone help with numbers I don't know how to convince a liberal that people need to eat food or they'll die.

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[–] abc@hexbear.net 29 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

St Louis Fed has numbers for this but they're averages; good starting point anyways and a liberal will probably go awooga at it being a federal reserve bank's data lol.

Average Price: Eggs, Grade A, Large (Cost per Dozen) in U.S. City Average

Average Price: Milk, Fresh, Whole, Fortified (Cost per Gallon/3.8 Liters) in U.S. City Average

Average Price: Bread, White, Pan (Cost per Pound/453.6 Grams) in U.S. City Average

Actually you can go straight to the BLS source (consumer price index released monthly) but the St Louis Fed is probably the easiest place to see all that info at a glance & they even have it for commodities like the global price of uranium!!

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 10 points 4 days ago

Thank you, this was very helpful!

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 24 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

If you're having to find numbers to prove to someone that prices have gone up you're wasting your time bc they are arguing in bad faith. Either that or they're a literal child who doesn't buy groceries.

"Look at your grocery bill you dumb motherfucker" plus a PPB at the inevitably smuglord reply is the correct response here

[–] FloridaBoi@hexbear.net 13 points 4 days ago

I think my grocery bills have been 50-100% higher in the last 18 months

[–] PRNE@weatherishappening.network 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

@Frank you may FEEL like economy bad because you are struggling to exist butt AYKSHULLY line go up

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

And have you considered that a medieval king didn't have a smartphone and that 99.8% of ”poor” households have a refridgerator?? very-intelligent

[–] urmums401k@hexbear.net 13 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

how to convince a liberal people need to eat food or they'll die

Lock it in a box without food with another lib who's already been in the box for a week. Let it out when the first one dies. Not sure anything else will work.

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I've kept track of purchases for about 10 years. Where I am, in the past 5 years, bread is up roughly 30%, milk is up maybe 10%, and eggs are up closer to 60%.

Wages here have increased somewhat, but that's not true everywhere.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 12 points 4 days ago (2 children)

All the Democrats crying that people betrayed them over the price of eggs are so disconnected. Eggs are a cheap source of good quality protein, easy to digest. They require almost no skill to prepare. They require little time to repair, meaning you can get them on plates when you have to get kids on busses and get to work. There's a lot of reasons why eggs are important and dismissing them as trivial is very "let them eat brioche!" Energy. Apparently per-capita egg consumption is at 284 a year.

Like I don't think that a lot of, at least online democrats, really understand how bad and widespread food insecurity is in the us. Their complaints about people being "wrong about the economy" show a deep disconnect. They think the economy is stonks, not how many hours of labor does it take to feed my family and pay rent.

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 8 points 4 days ago

It is difficult for me to imagine what “democracy” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True democracy can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread. Only in such a society democracy can exist for real and not on paper.

[–] The_Walkening@hexbear.net 5 points 4 days ago

I looked and it seems like egg prices spiked the most in 6/7 of the swing states from 2022-2023:

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/egg-prices-by-state

The data source is a paywalled business insider article, but it's got an archive link

granted it's a website run by like 1 guy with a secondhand source (BI is citing an Instacart study) but if it's accurate it means that 3 of the top 10 states for egg prices are swing states (Nevada, Arizona, Georgia) , and if you look at inflation per dozen eggs per state Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania are also in the top 10. All of those states also have low minimum wages (Arizona's an outlier at like 13 bucks but every other swing state, it's $10 or the federal minimum).