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Chinese has the oldest cuisine and the best food culture and I worry about it bc the only export from the US that succeeded culturally and monetarily is the goddamn fried chicken and borger.
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IΒ remember being semi-forced to eat at Applebees in the US, and the food was alright, but there was an everpresent "But... why?" question in my mind
I do admit borger with fries, and the fry chimken is yum tho
Westerners have been pushing genetically modified rice on developing countries under the guise of fighting malnutrition. It sounds noble until you realize that changing the genetic structure of food is seen as preferable to distributing income so that people can buy some damn vegetables. The diet of the poor is always treated as a problem of inputs with no regard for culture or taste.
I think I recall something on how at the least the first enhanced rices made no nutritional difference
lol i always complain that chinese food restaurants are a scam because its mostly vegetables.
Gotta find the hidden Chinese food court in your area that takes a ten dollar bill and gives you a box of delicious food packed into a dense brick by the closing of the lid
I always feel like Thai is a scam for its excessive rice and noodles (flavor and nutritional valueless). Refrying it with a bunch of vegetables is pretty awesome tho.
its great flavor but come the price of the dishes is not remotely close to the price of its ingredients. their profit margins are absurd to the point its a scam
Fair enough
My local good Thai restaurant is now $5-$10 more expensive than other restaurants of similar quality. Might be something to that
All the irrigation for their produce comes from American tears. 
I can't find it now but there was an amerikkkan hit piece on China from early COVID lockdowns about their free food boxes not containing enough meat for a person to survive.
not containing enough meat for a person to survive
That's weird. The amount of meat required for a person to survive is exactly 0 grams.
on eating a vegetable the white US gut microbiome attempts to kill the host
i would have thought Vietnam was the highest!
Is there a source on this? Thereβs no way India eats that little amount of vegetables. The majority donβt even eat meat, so if this is accurate, their diet is literally just bread or theyβre flat out not eating
I imagine this map isn't counting legumes/lentils as vegetables. The Indian diet, especially vegetarian, is heavily lentil based. Lots of paneer (basically a cheese that also functions as a tofu-like ingredient for many dishes) too, and of course breads and rice as you mentioned. Also potatoes. I imagine most of those aren't considered vegetables by whatever source this map is using.
EDIT: Also of course India isn't nearly as vegetarian as people imagine. The surveys are kind of variable, but we're reasonably only sure somewhere between 20-30% of Indians are vegetarians per:
Hindus eat pork
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/vegetable-consumption-per-capita betting this is where they sourced it, FAO presents it at the supply level, the per capita figures are probably OWID's doing? Hilariously this probably also means the US figures are even lower due to home food waste not being accounted for
Idk I saw it on twitter
Speaking from experience, the Indian diet is like 90-95% bread or rice and people eat something else (Veggies, Daal or meat) only for flavour. Too many carbs too little protein.
Amerikkka clocking in at just over 126kg/capita
enjoy that constipation burgerbrains
There's no way USians are getting half a kilogram of vegetables a day, that's way too high, this data set is sus.
Pizza is a vegetable
Burger too!
Corn syrup counts as a vegetable
Does the average Chinese really eat over a kilogram of vegetables each day though? Especially considering they also eat fair amounts of meat, noodles and ofc rice. Seems like a lot of food.
Potatoes count as a vegetable!
Sugar is a vegetable, right?
a kilo of veg per day per person, damn
Death to America
Is it even possible? Maybe it's some calculation error
I cant find those stats anywhere on the UN FAO website
this sent me down a rabbithole and hot damn that website is rough to use
I found the first usable data digging into this one: https://www.fao.org/faostat/en/#data/FBS
with options looking like this (just hit select all to get all measures on that top right box):
seeing figures on the same order as whats listed in the OP:
except it's continued to increase lol
I was on the site trying to get those combinations to work. You did it
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/vegetable-consumption-per-capita betting this is where they sourced it, FAO presents it at the supply level, the per capita figures are OWID's doing
I think it's accurate for China. There's lot of veggies in dishes in China everywhere I've been. This is pre-cooked weight certainly. I'm in the US and definitely more vegetarian than average but each week I go through a head of broccoli, 500g-1kg of bok choy or gailan, mandolin + pre-prep 6 large onions (>2.2kg) & 10-12 bell peppers (usually ~1.5kg), a couple 250-300g sweet potatoes, and 3-4x384g bags of frozen spinach.
Cool if true, but if I remember correctly they eat pretty big amounts of pig as well
China's meat consumption overall is around 60kg, putting it 56th in the world. If you don't count Hong Kong (which lol at being #1) the United States is #1 with over double, 124.11kg per person. The settler/rancher states of Australia, Argentina, New Zealand, Spain (obvi not a settler state but lots of ranching), and Israel round out the top 6 of meat consumption, all at around 100kg+.
Per here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_meat_consumption
Maybe I should have stated that obviously, they hardly come close to western standards. (at least not yet, I gues it is likely growing in quantity)
Pretty off topic, but does the reconquista count as settler colonialism?