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taking about assimilationists and patriarchy
I'm tired of this genre of posts I keep seeing on other sites where they'll say something like "trans people existing doesn't affect you" or like "no one is asking you to change your beliefs, just to treat others with respect" or did stuff like that.Trans people (and queer people in general) existing IS a threat to the gender system, and so is a threat to people deeply invested in it. I DO want people to change thier deeply held beliefs. I am a radical, I hate society, I want to change it, I want to destroy patriarchy. Assimilationism is not a path to liberation.
I agree. It's like when people post the left-handed graph. Sure it's probably correct that once society stops being structurally and culturally transphobic, there will be a cap on how many trans people there are (maybe 3% of population IDK?). But if the rate of trans people was literally growing exponentially so that at some point in the future 100% of people would be trans, there would be nothing wrong with that. Society would have to adjust but we've done so for other stuff.
What's the left-handed graph? I'm not familiar.
Personally, I imagine that, in a society that was truly free of gender-based oppression and where people weren't forced into gender at birth, most people wouldn't even have a gender (though probably a few people would, like as a hobby kinda?). But I could be totally wrong on that. I think you can really only guess how many people would be trans or whatever else once so the bullshit is removed: we're too deep in the bullshit to have any real idea.
In the future I want, questions about the "true number" of trans will be about as meaningful as questions about the true number of Monster Hunter Wilds players. Like, a lot of people played it and last week it was more than this week but next week an update will drop so people will play it again.
Same. Like, if I wasn't forced into a gender from birth, and there was no social pressure to have one, then if I did still decide that I want breasts, to be on estrogen and not testosterone, then would I even be trans in anything like the way I am now? Or would that be more like getting a tattoo or piercing is now.
Like in the future i want, things would be so different, I don't think the categories we have now would even apply (for the most part, at least)
This graph. The idea being once discrimination is removed the true value is revealed and stable. People use it to compares to rates of being gay or trans.
But my problem with it is it suggests there's an upper limit on being gay or trans, which is probably true, but it would be also fine if there wasn't.
I agree we're too deep in it to have an idea. That said 3% is a number that keeps popping up in cultures around the world with more tolerant views to being transgender/trans adjacent. Like Samoa with fa'afafine.
Ahhhhh, that makes sense.
3% seems pretty low to me, but the majority of people I know are non-binary trans people, so my perspective might be skewed.
Most western studies put the trans population around 0.5-1%. I tend to think like most researchers this is lower than the true number, due to discrimination, people being closeted, eggs not allowed to crack etc.
Population statistics are weird because 3% is actually a big number in terms of how many people that is and how many people have met someone etc. Individuals are going to know more of their ingroup though. Like Jewish people are 2.4% of the US population but their immediate circles are going to be majority Jewish.
Anyways it's just a number I keep seeing come up for rates of being third gender, two-spirited or any other non western trans populations.
My vibes based feeling is if all barriers were eliminated (and society still had gender) it would be 10% like the anime Dirty Pair. But that's solely vibes.
Hmm, maybe I need to watch dirty pair, lol.
My 100% vibes based analysis is that 0.5-1% and 3% are both low. Both for the reasons you mentioned, but also because I feel like in a more open society there would be a lot more agender, non-binary (non-trinary? for societies with a 3rd gender), people doing thier own gender, etc. Like even in a society with a third gender, while that's better than just two, there is still a lot of pressure to be one of those three, yeah? In guess I feel like too many studies shit trans people still are too binary focused. But idk. Do you work in stats? You probably know more on this than me
Real!! I understand wanting to be stealth and just be cis, but tbh I can't help but think the trans people assimilating are losing some of the most important parts of being trans. It's something special, not something to hide away.
Agree! I love being trans!
And I understand wanting to be safe and wanting to not have to deal with transphbic comments, worry about violence, etc. But assimilation isn't a real path towards that, only dismantling patriarchy is.
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This one in particular, like no your beliefs are literally just wrong and unfounded and should be changed. The whole "treat people with respect even if you disagree" thing is such bullshit, at least in this case. You can't "respect" me if you think (whatever horrible transphobic thing you can imagine). Respect isn't not calling people slurs.
Yeah, it's just liberal bullshit.
What we actually need is a gender cultural revolution