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you miss something , simple check out what the "excat" name of the Goverment currently (temporarly Embaressed) Presiding ON the ISLAND of Taiwan /Formosa is.
you dont even need to check that out i helped you
Both Sides Claim All of china its the most extremly logical thing a GOVERMENT OF CHINA can do. Its btw not your fault that you dont know shit about Taiwan , but have a vague feeling of Indignation on its behalf this is your Media working as Intented in its "SOFTPOWER" Capacity Media is Softpower , the ability to make you hate what is not your enemy....
I'm really sorry I'm not quite following what you're saying. Taiwan are claiming all of China?
I think the question is surely should or does Taiwan want independence rather than pointing to the top of a Wikipedia page right?
What they mean is that the Taiwanese government isn't just pushing for independence like the uwu BBC and guardian would like you to believe but full control and ownership of the entire mainland harking back to the nationalist belief in their government that they ARE the real China despite being the ultimate sore losers about it.
It complicated but one thing you can be sure is that the western narrative on it is almost all spin, propaganda and manufactured consent because demonising China and propping up Taiwan is Americas strategy for either sanctioning China so American doesn't lose its economic clout and so that if that fails they can manufacture consent for an armed conflict to accomplish the same ends.
I mean the western MSM are already banging the drums of war at america and NATOs behest and a war with China is abjectly bad for this planet but like American politicians give a shit about that.
Thanks for explaining it to me a lot more clearly, you have any good resources to read into this about? Any authors you'd recommend? This is a massive blind spot in my political knowledge.
There's no clear territorial definition of what constitutes the area of the ROC in their constitution. It mostly refers to a mainland, defined as the areas controlled by Chinese Communists.
Provisional Constitution Of The Republic Of China (1931) has one though, which is what's alluded to in the constitution:
Note that this refers to the provinces as they were considered in 1931, which means it includes all the concessions by PRC to Russia, Vietnam etc.
We can reach the same conclusion by understanding that the ROC holds itself as the sole inheritor of Qing, thereby all its lands. These lands are what they use for the outline of China, such as in the emblem of their marine corps.
I will say in parting that this doesn't mean the people of Taiwan island necessarily consider their government to be the rightful governors of PRC lands, let alone the rest of these claims. They have no intention or desire to invade Mongolia. Indeed, they may not have in 1947, and therefore didn't make any mentions of Mongolia or areas ceded by CPC. Regardless, successive governments have made no attempts to clarify this with new legislation.
Nope not of the top of my head lmao 🙃
Like there's loads but honestly i wouldn't know what to recommend, I'm kinda hoping someone else can fill in the blanks in my own understanding.
I SAID I WAS HOPING ANOTHER HEXBEAR WOULD HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD OR SOME RESOURCES!!
I bet lemmygrad has them on tap if you wanted to ask them as well tbh.
Thanks a billion, probably more than a hint I should do the leg work lol. I'll edit in anything I find interesting!
Yes Taiwan claims not only all of China but some parts of Mongolia and India too, they actually claim more than the PRC. They want one China as well, they just wanted to be the ones in charge.
To be fair, that segment of the KMT is mostly dead and gone. The two major factions remaining are the KMT that want the one China status quo to continue and want to just do business with the mainland, and the DPP imperialist radlib fascists who want to declare independence and host US nukes. Nobody is really seriously claiming that the RoC could actually control the PRC in 2023
To illustrate your point about the ROC claiming a bunch of shit, here's the current emblem of the ROC Marine Corps:
Yes.
Not just China, they also claim territories belonging to Russia, Japan, North Korea and a bunch of other countries, most significantly Outer Mongolia.
i also dont follow you , why do you always talk about the Geographic entity ? (Formosa) Why you give them agency and goals , its a fucking piece of clay , a Inanimated object .. Talk about the "Republic of China" and the "Peoples repbulic of China..
and if your sentence then does not make sense . then this is your Answer . Your inital Position assumes a wild fanatsy in which a Taiwan exist with a Nation on it calling itself Taiwan , that DO not Want to Be China . Both goverments Agree that Formosa belongs to China .. they are in conflict about the "specific" China.
Look I'm genuinely trying to get what your argument is there's no need to be so combative because I used the wrong word for that island and the people inside of it. I don't think I'm being obtuse or anything, just you presented a tautological argument without any evidence so I don't know what I'm supposed to read into.
Thomas’s first language is not English and they talk in a rather flowery unique way. Don’t mistake that for hostility against you
Many apologies upon a reread that's a lot more clear I think I just mistook the context of how westerners espouse about these issues to Thomas and I'm wound up in these same biases.
that you use this word is no accident. it is the Result of "Softpower working on you" it is not you fault , you are not guilty of the fact that every Media around you trieds do deliberatly confuse you , and my com,ent is not Combative. Again its not your Fault. It is no "Accident" that your brain uses "Taiwan" it is the result of a strategy of tension against its Geopolitcal rival with use of Softpower assets .