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[–] lesseva96@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, because in 2014, half their country was occupied by a foreign invader lol.

Oh no my neighbor is seeking alliances after I annexed their shit, how conniving of them!

[–] ZoomeristLeninist@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

this was 5 years later. Ukraine wouldnt need an alliance if they didnt consistently violate the Minsk agreements by bombing civilians in the DPR and LPR, giving Russia a reasonable casus belli

[–] Vncredleader@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago

Time isn't linear silly

[–] aport@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

bombing civilians in the DPR and LPR

Proof?

giving Russia a reasonable casus belli

Putin didn't even recognize DPR and LPR until the day before he invaded Ukraine. This is some concentrated revisionist history.

[–] ZoomeristLeninist@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

here is the info abt civilian bombing and here are some other war crimes.

recognizing the DPR and LPR would seriously escalate tensions between Russia and Ukraine/NATO. Russia did, however, maintain informal relations with them, including providing aid. DPR and LPR invited Russia to liberate them from Ukraine. you have no idea what revisionist means if you think thats what im doing here. Russia absolutely had a justified casus belli

[–] aport@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

recognizing the DPR and LPR would seriously escalate tensions between Russia and Ukraine/NATO

That's why he did it the day before invading. Putin was hoping his separatists in DPR and LPR could weaken Ukraine without getting his hands dirty. When he saw that wasn't working, he got involved.

DPR and LPR invited Russia to liberate them from Ukraine.

Yes, that's kinda what pro-Russian separatists are supposed to do. Next you'll tell me CPC members in Taiwan want one country, two systems.

Russia absolutely had a justified casus belli

Sorry I'm still not seeing it

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Next you'll tell me CPC members in Taiwan want one country, two systems.

What do you mean? Taiwan is a part of China. It's already one country

[–] aport@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Oh boy can you start another dunk thread on this so I can flex my myopic, limited understanding of complex socio-political situations and make another fool of myself?

[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

nobody should be getting as owned as you are twice in 24 hours, that's just cruel

[–] invalidusernamelol@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

Not a bad idea tbh, you're incredibly uninformed and that's what we thrive on.

You suffer so other people can learn

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

No reason to, you haven't posted anything dunk-worthy with regards to Taiwan. I posted this thread to the dunk tank because I thought the callous disregard for human lives was dunk worthy, not because you didn't know enough about Ukraine or something.

Most of us here are westerners, we all se the same stories, we all know what we were told in school.

There's no shame in being misinformed, we all are - the shame is choosing to stay misinformed, when one is confronted with it. I try to read up on the takes that I disagree with, to see where they are coming from and wether I might be in the wrong.

This also generally seems to be the culture of hexbear, which is why users are constantly asking for sources - it's not to do some smug gotcha, but instead to do some investigation and possibly self-crit.

I am not super well-versed in Taiwan, so if you want to know a lot I would recommend searching thru this site. There are lot of good effortposts with first-hand sources. I know @robinn2@hexbear.net has posted a lot and knows a lot about China, so you could also look thru his account for good knowledge.
I will however just to be quick point out that the United States itself does not recognize Taiwan as a country - really no one does. They all recognise the one china policy.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Minor detail, but I think it was 6 days before the invasion.

[–] aport@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

split the difference, three days? He officially recognized LPR and DPR on 21 Feb and invaded Ukraine on 24 Feb

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

Ah, I thought he recognized them, declared their annexation three days later, and invaded three days after that.

[–] panopticon@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

in 2014, half their country was occupied by a foreign invader lol.

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