"Left unity" is pointless. If you have a total of 5 leftists in your country, it doesn't matter if they all unify, they're still powerless. People seem to have this delusion that if only Marxists and anarchists stopped fighting, they could come together in countries like the US and take power, but in reality, this is more likely to be the result.

It's also completely backwards. No revolution has been carried out by only class conscious communists. Communists have to learn how to appeal to the masses, and the masses then have to support it. This is the problem, the highly class conscious communists will always be in small numbers, and will never have the numbers on their own, even if they all unify together.

Historically, the socialists and communists that come to power are rarely even the result of "unity", but it's always one specific section overtakes everyone else by storm. That's because some organization figures out a way to rally the masses, and once you get the masses on your side, all other organizations get in line or get destroyed.

The problem is not lack of left unity, but lack of any organizations that have figured out a way to rally the masses. Nobody has figured out how to overcome all the anti-communist brainwashing and to have a message that appeals. It's only been successful in colonized countries but not in the colonizer countries.

People who act like there's some simple solution that we're just all too stupid to see, like, "if we just all stopped fighting we'd win the revolution!" are not appreciating just how difficult the problem is. The reason communists have not succeeded in colonizer countries is not because they're all missing something "so simple", but because the problem is fucking hard, and they have a mountain to climb.

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Like, I kinda disagree that the only point of left unity is "if we had it, the revolution would happen". If you're setting up a kitchen for feeding homeless people on Thursday nights or something, you're not helped by burning every single bridge and are helped by having some spaces where disparate groups of 5 leftists at least talk to each other without airing their grievances about something Stalin did in 1928. This goes for setting up protests, or really any activity that involves more than 5 leftists. And within those spaces people will wander back and forth between groups on theoretical stuff and personal beefs and just time availability. Focusing on just "will this bring forth the revolution" is... idk, it probably leads to not doing very much.

(I agree with the point that left unity spaces or lack thereof is what is standing between us and "the revolution")

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What @emizeko@hexbear.net is talking about is ideological and organizational unity.

What you are talking about is tactical unity.

Those are two different things that at times may intersect at times, and at other times run separate from each other

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I'm largely talking about how it appears on this website and how I see it on the ground in my local area. Thus far, no one has suggested that all the trots, anarchists, MLs get together on the ground in my area, though they periodically try to recruit members from each other. Which, sure, I guess is tactical. I don't think I've actually seen very much of what emizeko is suggesting compared to what I'm talking about.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Thus far, no one has suggested that all the trots, anarchists, MLs get together on the ground in my area,

What does "get together" mean? How does it address organizational, structural, ideological, strategic, and tactical differences between different factions?

If you simply mean "talk to each other without spitting in each others faces" that already happens more than plenty among the more mature members of different factions thatve been in the game for long enough.

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don't know, I'll leave figuring out that stuff to people actually seriously suggesting it and people seriously arguing against it. When I hear "left unity" I think of the second thing.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 7 points 10 months ago

Okay thats fair enough

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

How the fuck i can get together with people who called up pigs on my comrades and then proceeded to lick fascist monuments? Or with terminally online scribblers who call me "fascist"? Or with other terminally online scribblers which will call me "gauchist" whatever that means (but with the same emphasis as inquisitor use the word "heresy") and then let out a long rants of USSR bad, solidarność good, plus entire trove of 50's Mccarthyst propaganda they internalized who knows where and when.

[–] M68040@hexbear.net 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Honestly 98% of what happens on the internet doesn't actually matter. If any of us were going to have any effect on anything tangible we wouldn't be here to begin with. I sure wouldn't

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 11 points 10 months ago

left unity

nice meme

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