I have a theory that for many people, the youth-leftist thing isn't based in solidarity or whatever, it's based in self-interest - across generations. Makes sense to be a socialist, when you're poor, and all. As the survivors gain their riches, they get more conservative - they have property to "defend" now. They were always self-serving people, it's just they were occasionally in a position where that meant to be vaguely left.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I-was-saying I became a leftist partially out of mutually-experienced suffering with future comrades, but primarily because I wanted others to be better off and happier. Maybe it was because of happy chemicals from helping others if some reductionist wants to be smug like that, but I still wanted to help others.

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I do not get this comment, could you be more direct?

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I was stating that my own "youth leftist thing" wasn't necessarily self-interest unless you want to boil down the desire to help others and see them be well as neurochemically-driven "selfishness" or whatever.

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And I'd believe you, I don't think nobody helps others out of the good of their heart or whatever. Those people exist, loads of them are here.

I'm saying, when you get into generational views, it might not hold up for a large amount for them.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

As a numbers game, you're right, it doesn't.

My biological family is staggeringly loaded with chuds to the point that I moved to the opposite coast in part just to escape them.

[–] Spongebobsquarejuche@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Mine too. But they're old and need help, even though they don't see it that way. So I help them then get sick of them. Rinse repeat.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago

I did that for decades of my life, but those chuds are on their own now. I'm raising a family of my own as far as I can be from their influence now. curry-space

[–] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

Makes sense to be a socialist, when you're poor, and all. As the survivors gain their riches, they get more conservative - they have property to "defend" now. They were always self-serving people

Yeah wouldn't necessarily blame all this on people being ontologically "self-serving" from the beginning, thats liberal moralistic thinking. A shift towards cuckservativism its just an inevitable consequence of gaining wealth and property within a capitalist society. They weren't born selfish, they became selfish after years of indoctrination and falling into a position that strongly incentivises it.