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[–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 89 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's only genocide if it happens in the Nazi regions of Europe. If it happens in the Levant it's just sparkling extermination.

[–] regul@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

didn't nazis (literally hitler?) write about assuming they'd get away with it because nobody gave a shit about the amernian genocide?

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

Nazi regions of Europe

You don’t need to repeat yourself

[–] Judge_Jury@hexbear.net 63 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The contention that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza in retribution for the Hamas massacres is false.

Well yeah, Israel has been committing genocide in Gaza since way before that

[–] NewLeaf@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

No, history started on October 7th 2023

[–] edge@hexbear.net 61 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The same person, last year:

I have never been this utterly disappointed in Israel. I have been a longtime ally, but their tacit acceptance of genocide in Ukraine shows that "never again" was little more than a marketing ploy.

[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago

Yeah people have also been posting the tweet I posted juxtaposed against him calling the Russian invasion a genocide.

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago

Lmao, of course

I despise how zionists have completely destroyed the concepts of genocide and antisemitism. The fact that so much energy has to be expended on defining these terms if you want to have a meaningful discussion is such a fascist success story and I put a huge amount of the blame on zionists

[–] OgdenTO@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People say Stalin committed genocide by moving entire cultural groups out of their land into other places. If that's enough, which it actually is, then yes, that is what Israel is doing.

[–] edge@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That's ethnic cleansing, not genocide. Unless a large number of them died in the process like the Trail of Tears of course.

[–] OgdenTO@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think many definitions of genocide include ethnic cleansing within it. It's a form of cultural genocide, to remove people from their homes and relocate to another, foreign place. It's not specific in the UN definition, but that's not the only one.

Good point though, I just mean that if people are going to rag on Joey Stalin, then its the same thing they should be criticizing Israel of.

[–] CrimsonSage@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

You can't do mass forced deportations without inflicting genocide. The act of moving that many people causes death, culture loss, and hinders the ability to reproduce. And this isn't even counting the fact that for many cultures place is important to their sense of self and identity.

[–] Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Still a crime against humanity

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Genocide is Jewish culture"

-- culture expert

[–] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

the really fucked up thing is if you point out that that's not true people will call you an antisemite

[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

Zionists essentially saying "The jewish brainpan is predisposed to genocide" Leftists saying "actually I dont think thats true I think Jews are individual people who are all equally capable of good or evil" and then the Zionists calling you antisemetic for that.

Like the conversation doesnt play out EXACTLY like that but it sometimes feel like you can boil down the exchanges to that.

Bonus points if the leftist is themselves Jewish.

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The guy accusing others of cynically exploiting the memory of the Holocaust to influence global opinion in bad faith:

As a quick rule of thumb: can you stop what you're doing and if you did, would they still try to hurt you? Having the wrong skin color or being alive in Gaza aren't really things you can stop. Killing a bunch of innocents or putting on a police uniform are things you don't have to be doing. It's much less of a prejudice.

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago

Genocide is Western culture, sweetie.

[–] GarfieldYaoi@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, yeah, genocide is culture that Israel is appropriating from whites.

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

Israel better be paying Britain royalties for concentration camps, or else it's IP theft as well 😠

[–] atomkarinca@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 1 year ago

i guess bassem youssef summarized it quite elegantly, i'm paraphrasing:

israel has damaged the conscience of the west so much that it will take years to heal.

According to article II:

Genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

Now I may not be a big city lawyer but it seems to me this would apply to herding and confining members of a group a specific area which you then bomb the shit out of

[–] HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fine, we can either go with

  • Sparkling Ethnic Cleansing
  • Genocyde, with the same spell-it-wrong-for-legal-reasons energy that gave us Creme-filled Twinkies
[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

"Genocide-style crime against humanity."

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well yeah, or amerikkka has done quite a bit of those, and we can't have that.

[–] Judge_Jury@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It still boggles my mind that we can talk about the US' actions in Korea and Vietnam as being anything other than genocide

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

Or local populations or guam or hawaii more recently

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

It's like when Johnny Cash would cover a song and it would be miles better than any original version. Hitler did the best version of genocide of all time. The word is his now.

[–] ikiru@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago

They are partly right in implying that genocide is part of Right-wing culture.

[–] Rod_Blagojevic@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

Wait until they hear about what people accused China of doing in Xinjiang.

[–] berrytopylus@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

You can tell how bad this guy's discourse is because he has to use the term "cultural appropriation" and not just the much better fitting "appropriation" on its own because he doesn't understand what the words actually mean.

[–] 420stalin69@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Appropriation????

The west invented modern genocide. It’s as white as being way to into hot chili’s like it’s a personality.

[–] c0mpost 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Now you got me thinking... The oldest genocide I can think of is that of indigenous populations in the event of the colonization of the Americas, so the title goes to Portugal and Spain.

[–] c0mpost 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So I did some research and of course the Romans did it first in Carthage, so I guess it still counts as the West anyways, even though it's pre-Christian Rome. Earlier Middle East genocides seemed to spare women and children and were more about forced assimilation than ethnical cleansing.

[–] Vampire@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

It's an Armenian history word

[–] RNAi@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The contention that Isn'treal is commiting genocide in Gaza in retribution for the Hamas massacre is false.

Well, correct, they have been doing genocide in Gaza and all over Palestine decades before before Oct 7th 2023.

Also what the fuck is a "contention", use real words not pompous-reddit speech

[–] CthulhusIntern@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

Pure projection, that's how they label any criticism of Israel as "antisemitism".