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[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 102 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

The worst event to occur in the world

[–] zifnab25@hexbear.net 96 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Liberals are upset that Russia continues to exist as a single unified state, and not a balkanized conglomeration that can be more easily manipulated and controlled.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 73 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Carving up Russia into resource suzerains has been a goal of the western powers since the abdication of the Tsar.

[–] zifnab25@hexbear.net 51 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Should be worth recalling that the original intent of NATO was to prevent German industrial machines from combining with Russian extractive industry. Now its sort of a moot point, since China has replaced Germany and the US as the industrial workhorse of the world. Perhaps if the Sino-Soviet split had ended sooner (or had never occurred in the first place), the USSR would still be standing and the Americans would have been the ones to collapse in the late 80s.

[–] invo_rt@hexbear.net 51 points 10 months ago (1 children)

the USSR would still be standing and the Americans would have been the ones to collapse in the late 80s.

We are truly living in the dark timeline stalin-bummed

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 30 points 10 months ago

Nah in the dark timeline Tiananmen worked and China fell too.

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[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 29 points 10 months ago

Shame it had to be Putin, who's only disgusted with America solely because he thinks Russia should be one doing what America's doing.

[–] Elon_Musk@hexbear.net 83 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

I'm no history buff, but..... "The USA had no meddling with the end of the Soviet Union" doesn't sound right.

edit: I did a quick check on one of the people commenting there and they post heavily in the Airforce sub and are a history major.....

[–] axont@hexbear.net 53 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah that's not true at all and also the US absolutely put the final nail in the coffin with the 1996 Russian election. That's the one where the Russian Communist Party was about to get voted back into power, so it's commonly understood that western powers meddled in that election to get Boris Yeltsin as president. The US also got Russia to rewrite its constitution to expand the position of president, and then the US handpicked Putin

[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 30 points 10 months ago (1 children)

US absolutely put the final nail in the coffin with the 1996 Russian election.

The KPRF had a majority in Congress and, if Gennady Zyuganov were elected, Russia would align itself 100% with China. I doubt he would restore the Soviet Union or the Warsaw Pact, but I could see Russia financially supporting left-wing parties in Europe and being a little less reactionary.

[–] Greenleaf@hexbear.net 19 points 10 months ago

Yes! IIRC electorally, it looked like the Russians were just going to elect socialists and communists (with some socdems sprinkled in there). In order to prevent that, the US supported Yeltsin consolidating power within the executive and making the legislature relatively powerless.

It’s a good thing were no unintended consequences later on associated with having a powerful president…

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[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 75 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

yea i wonder why far-right movements took off in 1990s and especially after 2008

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 42 points 10 months ago

"Could it be that leftism is increasingly popular due to the excesses and contradictions of capital becoming exceedingly clear? No, it must be because people are dumb"

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 63 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Similar to far-right ideologies is when you are the exact opposite to far-eight ideologies

[–] kot@hexbear.net 60 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Liberals subscribe to "authoritarian" theory, where nazism and communism are the same because they are "authoritarian". They don't understand class analysis because they don't believe classes exist, and they deny that bourgeois "democracy" is authoritarian.

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[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 46 points 10 months ago

But they both have leaders that sometimes tell other people what to do, and their militaries look scary because they wear different outfits than our military so that makes them the same nerd

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 55 points 10 months ago (4 children)

"Most communists agree that the soviet union was absolutely horrible btw. The group you're thinking of calls themselves tankies. They fully believe Stalin(and Mao) was actually a good person and all of the bad didn't happen, and was propaganda from the US. I guess bc they think if America is bad, that must mean the USSR was good! In reality they both fucking suck."

Where do these people meet communists? The Vaush livestream chat?

[–] GnastyGnuts@hexbear.net 38 points 10 months ago

They're doing a "leftist" version of the "international community" line that neolibs have, where by "most communists" they just mean the wretched little scrotums in NATO countries that self-identify as leftists.

Something these breadtube cranks seemingly can't grasp is that the majority of actual leftists (whatever flavor, but it seems to me like most are either ML or Maoist) live outside of North America and Europe. Or maybe they just dismiss them all as tankies brainwashed by the seductive allure of dark and evil authoritarianism, lookin' all hot and domineering and shit, whispering all seductively from the shadows "use the big spoon, baybee".

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 26 points 10 months ago

The group you're thinking of calls themselves tankies.

monkey-typewriter

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[–] Maaj@hexbear.net 54 points 10 months ago (2 children)

...I don't think most of the people posting in that reddit thread are Gen Z. That shit was kinda disturbing.

[–] neo@hexbear.net 45 points 10 months ago

Any obviously online forum for "younger" people just strikes as a place for older pervs and creeps to come in and plant their flags.

[–] HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 39 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

iirc there was a thing on reddit a while ago where the mods of a sub called something like r/internetdrama or subredditdrama or something did an expose on how a load of the users and the mods of those zoomer subs were actually adults pretending to be teenagers so it wouldnt be to surprising

[–] bunnygirl@hexbear.net 25 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It was r/drama yeah (IIRC it's a super chuddy subreddit tho so reader beware)

[–] HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 25 points 10 months ago (1 children)

lmao, the top commenter's malding about how chapos call r/drama users fascists

[–] bunnygirl@hexbear.net 22 points 10 months ago

glory days, they'll pass you by

[–] dmonzel@lemmy.ml 48 points 10 months ago (1 children)

One person in there has completed an exhaustive poll of three people under the age of 35 to determine that "USSR bad". What a tool.

[–] dmonzel@lemmy.ml 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And now Allende was the bad guy for... allowing what Pinochet did to happen?

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[–] ksynwa_from_lemmygrad@hexbear.net 46 points 10 months ago (5 children)
[–] axont@hexbear.net 55 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Poland has become a bastion of European reactionary ideology for a bunch of reasons. Most of it happened deliberately by a coalition of capitalists who ran a color revolution and a fake, pro-west labor union (called solidarity of all things. And one of those capitalists who wrecked everything was George Soros of all people. Despite his reputation among right wing conspiracy idiots, he's been throwing money at anti-communist causes his whole life. It's a genuine tragedy.

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 33 points 10 months ago (1 children)

MFW 4chan is likely more likely to be Soros funded than we are.

But that's actually good information and might explain why porky-happy has become capitalist-woke in the public eye. If they're going to lose some of the culture wars, it's best that they do so on their own terms, or at least become the leaders of the resistance against themselves.

[–] 420stalin69@hexbear.net 19 points 10 months ago

I think it’s because the crushing inequalities of capitalism are so obvious that it’s comfortable to adopt the mantle of non-threatening equalities.

Not that corporate America ever actually fights for those equalities of course. Just that it’s convenient to embrace certain equalities to obscure other inequalities.

Like, idealized gay rights and idealized racial justice don’t actually threaten capitalism so long as the answer to gay rights and racial justice is restricted to beaming some good vibes so they beam those good vibes at will, and trans rights well depending on brand identity that can be ok as well but importantly only once it’s ok for the bottom line that’s when it becomes a useful shield to be used against the crushing reality of wealth inequality.

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[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 43 points 10 months ago

Pro-western propaganda has relativised the horrors of fascism and made Poles of all people believe that living in a socialist country was just as bad as living under the Nazis' genocidal occupation regime.

This Nazi apologia was grafted unto a substrate of butthurt Polish nationalism that existed well before the Soviet Union and is rooted in Poland's history of first being a major kingdom, then being carved up by neighbouring empires.

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 28 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 17 points 10 months ago
[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 25 points 10 months ago

It means Solidarnosk won and solidarity lost.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 10 months ago

This call for volcel police.

[–] Rojo27@hexbear.net 43 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

That little bit of horseshoe theory at the end just wraps this post up perfectlychefs-kiss

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 28 points 10 months ago

DAE think people who want to "purify" the world and install ancapistan as a permanent, worldwide government are the same as the people who want to help everyone?

[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 42 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Guy with a far right ideology: Gee this communism doesn’t seem so great because it superficially resembles a rightwing ideology!

[–] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 37 points 10 months ago

A classic

similar to the current hit "guy who hates Jews accusing anti-Israel protesters of hating Jews"

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[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 39 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The absolute nose dive in standard of living after the fall is well documented. Id have to put a cw on some of the things that happened after.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 30 points 10 months ago

The estimated rate of child trafficking multiplied ~fourfold and there were excess deaths comparable to the Great Famine despite the much more highly-developed infrastructure

[–] star_wraith@hexbear.net 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I’m old enough to remember the 90s. It’s really gross but (cw: human trafficking?)

spoilerI remember the endless jokes about “mail order Russian brides”. It was just this weird phenomenon that no one bothered to examine, just laugh about. Only now do I realize that conditions in the former USSR were so awful that you had so many women that were so desperate they would do anything - including marry some American loser sight unseen - just to get out of there. Really gross stuff.

Also, take a look at any measure of economic output in the eastern bloc from the 80s through the present. In the 90s there’s this massive dip that only gets to the ~1990 level in recent years. Like in Russia, you could take where the economy was in 1990 and assume very mediocre growth, and they would be better off now had the USSR stuck around just by the numbers (and that’s before considering how unequal the pie is split now vs how things were under communism). Obviously some countries like Czechia and the Baltics fare better, but they’ve been plugged into the imperial core for nearly 30 years now.

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[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 35 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The dissolution of the Soviet Union and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. In fact, I'd wager that the Sino-Soviet split was just as bad too.

I'm sure in the alternate universe where neither happened, a lot of would be white supremacists are feeling real humble now instead.

[–] pooh@hexbear.net 32 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Anyone else notice a pattern on some of the usernames, of word_word_123? Seems a little odd to me.

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 34 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's the pattern for reddit's username suggestion for new accounts.

[–] Flyberius@hexbear.net 23 points 10 months ago

Could mean many things, but one of those things is that some of them are from sock puppet accounts who can't be arsed to come up with unique, believable names

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[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 23 points 10 months ago

Lmfao you expect me to believe the people posting in there are gen z? I bet it's mostly Millennial libs and Gen X chuds pretending to be teens again pushing this shit

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 22 points 10 months ago

Too bad the 26th is also Mao's birthday lol

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